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jonniboy



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Nice posting Bels! Reply with quote

canucktechie wrote:
jonniboy wrote:
Riga is over 40% Russian and here you don't have the hassle of Russian bureaucracy as well as being in the EU and with better flight connections and a much cheaper cost of living than Moscow.

Riga is a great city, but I was there just last month and I certainly didn't find it cheaper than Moscow.

Care to give some examples?


We've a spacious 3 bedroom flat in the centre in the embassy area which would cost us 280 lats per month if we were to rent it for the coming year. I doubt you could find a 3 bed flat within 10 minutes walk of Red Square for 400 euro per month.

The smaller size of the city also means less expenditure on buses and public transport relative to Moscow so deduct that from your costs too.
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BELS



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Nice posting Bels! Reply with quote

jonniboy wrote:
canucktechie wrote:
jonniboy wrote:
Riga is over 40% Russian and here you don't have the hassle of Russian bureaucracy as well as being in the EU and with better flight connections and a much cheaper cost of living than Moscow.

Riga is a great city, but I was there just last month and I certainly didn't find it cheaper than Moscow.

Care to give some examples?


We've a spacious 3 bedroom flat in the centre in the embassy area which would cost us 280 lats per month if we were to rent it for the coming year. I doubt you could find a 3 bed flat within 10 minutes walk of Red Square for 400 euro per month.

The smaller size of the city also means less expenditure on buses and public transport relative to Moscow so deduct that from your costs too.


You got me interested, but with a Russian wife and family, it appears a big No! No! Even though there are 40% Russians in Riga, she claims the Latvians are anti Russian, and many Russians are losing their homes there. The Latvians claim that they belonged to someone else before they occupied those home. So the argument continues.

So I'm afraid my Russian wife goes for first choice Paris, and second choice anywhere in Britain. I said what about the language barrier getting through the redtape, and she agrees it should be Britain, as we are all fluent in English.

So to summarise. Are the Latvians anti Russian? What about language barriers in getting things done for employment, self employment in our case.

Any Russians here? Because I'd love to hear your opinions here. Is my wife correct in her opinion, or is she simply being over anxious?

My wife's heart is Paris, she finds it romantic and peaceful, and believes it was where her previous life was, and it's where we met several times before we married. Although we also met in London a few time, but for some reason she doesn't feel the same way about London. But I have pursuaded her logic, and that is to function in a country with a language of which we all know the same language, and that is English.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a wide knowledge of either Riga or Latvia. But I have been there. In my humble and limited experience, I would say that there is a strong anti-Russian sentiment. There is palpable hostility for those who speak Russian.

But I would say that it's not any more hostile than other former soviet bloc countries. I have felt hostility for Russians and the Russian language in every former soviet country I've ever been in. Let's face it, Russia did not treat those countries well and the people certainly remember and are very much holding a grudge. Who can blame them?

On another note, believe it or not, I was never so cold in my life as I was in Riga. I took the train from Moscow to Riga, it was the first week of March a few years ago, and Riga was just a sheet of ice. They have no Tajiks busily removing ice and snow, nor the centrally steam heated cities that Russia has. Even in my Moscow coat, after the first day I ended up buying a fur hat and muffler and mittens. The Baltics are damp and miserable in the winter. I have heard Muscovites say the same thing about St. Petersburg too.

Have you considered Dubai? Wink That seems to be where all the Brits are headed off to these days.
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jonniboy



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Nice posting Bels! Reply with quote

BELS wrote:
You got me interested, but with a Russian wife and family, it appears a big No! No! Even though there are 40% Russians in Riga, she claims the Latvians are anti Russian, and many Russians are losing their homes there. The Latvians claim that they belonged to someone else before they occupied those home. So the argument continues.


I often hear Russians claim that but generally the ones who claim it haven't been to Latvia and by and large it's no more accurate a statement than saying that Scots or Irish are anti-English. There are obviously some hot heads on both sides and some, especially in the older generation, with historic grievances but generally relationships are pretty good. The Russian's main beef is over the citizenship issue and that's fading over time since current laws give citizenship to anyone born in Latvia 1995 or later and thus those Russians without citizenship are literally dying out.

As for the homes issue that was more an issue in the early 1990s when people rightly reclaimed homes which had been seized from them by the Soviet authorities. It didn't only affect ethnic Russians as many ethnic Latvians were also on the wrong side of "repossessions." It's a dead issue today as anyone affected by the Soviet seizures reclaimed their properties a long time ago. No reason for them to wait till 2008!

As for language barriers, when I went to register and get the personal code I'd the option of completing the form in either Latvian, English or Russian and the clerk spoke English, though her Russian was far better. The whole process was much simpler than when my Latvian girlfriend registered in UK where she was given a gestapo style grilling and expected to pay 70 quid for some spurious "worker's registration scheme" which seemed nothing more than a glorified immigrant tax.

Saying all the above, if I were in your position I'd go for London or Paris for the simple fact that the economic situation is much more stable. Latvia's economic situation is dire with falling growth rates and some of the highest inflation in the EU and I think the whole situation will get worse before it gets better.
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BELS



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that Jonniboy, what you said is worth a lot of thought and discussion with my wife. We will see Smile. But I have no doubt that Russians in Russia have doubts about living in Riga, and this might be due to the news they see, and in my wife's case the experience she has gained being a tour operator. We now have a battle in argument, and peacefully I hope, as sh does get passionate about certain subjects on occasions. We are dealing with cultural differences here, I'm afraid.
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canucktechie



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BELS wrote:
But I have no doubt that Russians in Russia have doubts about living in Riga, and this might be due to the news they see

But the Russians in Riga don't seem to have any doubts about living there, do they? I don't see them sweeping sidewalks and cutting grass in Moscow.
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maruss



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:34 am    Post subject: Hi once again folks! Reply with quote

I was away in England for three weeks and only the last one had some decent sunny weather!Bels,Moscow would never be the same without you-how could you even THINK of leaving?Your reference to past lives etc. is one of my speciality interests but I'd rather leave it for p.m.'s as not everyone believes in such things!Paris is a city with a certain lure that you either love or loathe-I definitely like it, but no doubt my ability to speak French is a big help,although the British and French have never exactly loved each other!Last week I spent three days in Berlin,a place I had not seen since 1972!!Meeting my former East German friends again was a very emotional experience and visiting the former Stasi prison and H.Q.brought back memories of some very painful times in my younger days-and also reminded me that Putin and the F.S.B. regime are the current day successors of them...Apart from that,Berlin is a vibrant,clean and very interesting and exciting city-people seem laid-back,liberal and very easy to get on with.It is almost impossible to tell what was East and what was West any longer.There seems to be only one firm which recruits teachers though and it's freelance.When I called in on the off-chance,the British director was very friendly and gave me a good impression of the place,but said they will not be recruiting again until next spring.
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