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Francean · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: Just starting out

Hey, I will be starting this journey as an ESL educator, after taking TESL course in Rome the month of October. Lets say I am young at heart but a little over 50yrs old. Any encouragement or suggestions. I have a Masters Degree in Education, however wanted to have the ESL training as well. Please give me some ideas on where to work for descent money and not China. Thanks, Francean

Anda · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province

Um, the best money in general would be South Korea. So look on the Korean board but um, to have to regester again for that.

Most of Asia is the same in many ways. Why arn't you interested in China? Also in gereral wages fit with local cost of living. Korea is like the West in living costs but you can save well if you live a simple life. China most jobs don't allow for much or any saving but life is okay in general.

kev7161 · Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China

Does having a "masters degree in Education" actually mean you've used this degree in a classroom in your past (public or private schools)? The reason I ask this is last year we had a loser teacher (not to imply our new OP is a loser teacher - - not at all!) who boasted most every day about his "masters degree in Education" but couldn't teach his way out of a wet paper bag!

killian · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:22 am Post subject:

the kingdom of saudi arabia.

eslstudies · Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 1061 Location: East of Aden

For "descent" [sic] money, it's often in your home country. Look at some ESL jobs in your public education system.

killian · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:59 am Post subject:

yes, if one is after descending money SKorea is indeed the place to go. last year about this time it was 800KRW to 1 US $. now it is 1100 something KRW to 1 US $. yep, dropping faster than the dollar.

Anda · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province

If I was working EPIK in Korea I would get this or more. Here I get a little over a third of this, same job, same hours.

2,500.00 KRW = 2.16553 USD
South Korea Won United States Dollars
1 KRW = 0.000866212 USD 1 USD = 1,154.45 KRW

LEVEL Requirements Monthly Pay
Metropolitan City Province
1+ �� Two consecutive years as a Level 1
within the same Provincial Office of Education $2,600
(2.5 million KRW) $2,700-$3,000
(2.6-2.85 million KRW)
1 �� 2 years of teaching experience with one of the following:
- Master's degree
- Teacher's/TEFL/TESOL/CELTA(100+hrs) Certificate
- Major in Education, English Education or English
Language/Literature
�� Contract renewal as a Level 2+ at the same POE
$2,400
(2.3 million KRW) $2,500-$2,800
(2.4-2.65million
KRW)
2+ �� Master's degree in any discipline, with Bachelor's in Education,
English Education or English Language/Literature
�� Master's degree in Education, English Education or
English Language/Literature, with Bachelor's in any discipline
�� Contract renewal as a Level 2 at the same POE $2,200
(2.1 million KRW) $2,300-$2,600
(2.2-2.45 million KRW)
2 �� Must have one of the following:
- Teacher's/TEFL/TESOL/CELTA(100+hrs) Certificate
- Major in Education, English Education or
English Language/Literature
- Bachelor's degree plus 1 yr full-time teaching experience
�� Master's degree in any discipline
$2,100
(2.0 million KRW) $2,200-$2,500
(2.1-2.35 million KRW)
3 �� Bachelor's degree in any discipline $1,900
(1.8 million KRW) $2,100-$2,400
(2.0-2.25 million KRW)

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

forgive me, but why would one with a master degree in education need a TESL course Confused

on topic, i wouldn't come to china if i had such a degree, although our OP might be coming for a cultural experience rather than professional one.

cheers and beers to all qualified fts with their lovely roles they've got in china Smile

theincredibleegg · Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 224

SnoopBot · Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA

For teaching English TESOL a master's degree in TESOL or App Ling is the correct degree for TESOL assignments.

Some MEd programs are admin flavored and would require the teacher to pass Praxis II exams in ESOL to teach ESL in the USA. It is possible this person had NO real teaching experience due to this specialized admin career track.

However, in China finding a person with an advanced degree in TESOL, isn't a common occurrence. Most would migrate towards the higher paying jobs found in other countries or stay in their home countries.

I find it also uncommon to find a lousy teacher with a legit master's in education. Usually, you will not graduate unless you have a "well-developed" teaching style. Part of each course is a teaching classroom assignment which becomes the majority of your course grade.

You also have a supervised practicum that must be passed in the legit programs. (Peer grading is also used)

With all of this mentioned above, bad apples tend to get past the profession screening mechanism and graduate with a "Master's in Education." When this happens .. well it does not help promote peer teacher morale.

Hopefully, the next MEd you meet, will be an asset to the institution and support the professional development of their fellow teachers.