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aliaeli
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 Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: SEP schools and other schools |
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Once someone on this forum mentioned that it is not common for a foreigner to be teaching at a SEP school. I have been wondering, why is this? And other than the appostilation of all of my educational degrees (and that would probably include my certificate of completion of pre-school, if I had one).
I am still searching for a job. If I want to find something other than an institute job, where can I look? Everywhere I look there are only jobs for Harmon Hall, the Anglo, Georgal etc.
Thanks for the help! |
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dixie
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Where are you looking?
SEP does not mean any school that teaches children, but instead is refers to public schools. If you have the right qualifications (or don't...) you can look into the private schools. |
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aliaeli
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the response. I know that SEP means the public school system. And that is my question, why is it that it is uncommon for foreign teachers to teach at SEP schools? |
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Samantha
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| Assuming you are bilingual, have you ever checked out a public school in person? A public school is a regular school with classes in Spanish. |
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aliaeli
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That's a rather obvious question I could've should've asked myself, eh? Well I suppose I have thought about doing it, but felt rather strange to randomly pop in to a school and ask if I could sit in. But on second thought, what could it hurt, no?
Yes, I am aware that SEP schools are taught in Spanish completely. Are you telling me that is one of the reasons foreign teachers don't usually work there? That would make for a good reason.
I assume I am bilingual, though I would rather throw in the disclaimer "bilingual enough".
Thanks for the response, I will make an attempt to go and get back to this post with my findings.
Apologies if this email reads sarcastic. It's not meant to be. Just late at night. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| aliaeli wrote: |
That's a rather obvious question I could've should've asked myself, eh? Well I suppose I have thought about doing it, but felt rather strange to randomly pop in to a school and ask if I could sit in. But on second thought, what could it hurt, no?
Yes, I am aware that SEP schools are taught in Spanish completely. Are you telling me that is one of the reasons foreign teachers don't usually work there? That would make for a good reason.
I assume I am bilingual, though I would rather throw in the disclaimer "bilingual enough".
Thanks for the response, I will make an attempt to go and get back to this post with my findings.
Apologies if this email reads sarcastic. It's not meant to be. Just late at night. |
SEP schools and jobs seem to be about who you know. There is not a teacher shortage, at least not in Spanish. In fact, it's the opposite. Also, SEP is making it harder to become a teacher as you now have to pass a test. There are thousands of teachers that are on strike and many more protesting the changes that are being introduced. I guess the biggest change is that you can no longer sell or give your plaza (Job) to somebody else. Now they are supposed to be given to the best qualified candidate. And that's a reason to not give classes and walk-out of the classrooms for the last 3 months?
I guess it's not too hard to see why Mexican education in general and public schools especially, just aren't very good.
Now don't get me wrong. There are some good schools out there. Both for students and teachers. The problem is finding a good one out of all the so-so ones.
English is taught in SEP schools, but only at secondary and above. The CECATI institutes also teach English.
BTW what's up with wanting to teach in a SEP school?
Plenty of private schools around that pay better and are a lot easier to get a job with. If you want to teach kids go to any private colegio and submit your resume. Might be slim pickings right now though. These schools all follow the SEP curriculem and guidelines, but they are a lot easier to work for.
Good luck again! |
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TheLongWayHome
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
SEP schools and jobs seem to be about who you know. There is not a teacher shortage, at least not in Spanish. In fact, it's the opposite. |
It's definitely about who you know. The other thing with a lot of SEP jobs are the excellent retirement benefits - you're set up for life in some of these positions. Hence, most are highly guarded by Mexicans - and rightly so - it's a great way to secure your future (economically). |
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MELEE
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Another thing is that to teach in a public primary or secondary (up to 9th grade) you would absolutely HAVE TO be a member of the teacher's union. Not something I would want to do, and I don't know but wouldn't be surprised if foriegners can't do that. (The union is very political).
Also if you aren't a graduate of a Mexican Normal University it would probably be a million hoops to get you degrees validated (not just apostilled). I think Freddy has a little bit of exerpience with getting a foriegn degree validated by the SEP--but I could be remembering wrong. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| MELEE wrote: |
Another thing is that to teach in a public primary or secondary (up to 9th grade) you would absolutely HAVE TO be a member of the teacher's union. Not something I would want to do, and I don't know but wouldn't be surprised if foriegners can't do that. (The union is very political).
Also if you aren't a graduate of a Mexican Normal University it would probably be a million hoops to get you degrees validated (not just apostilled). I think Freddy has a little bit of exerpience with getting a foriegn degree validated by the SEP--but I could be remembering wrong. |
Yes, it's not an easy thing to do. I don't even want to begin to imagine the headaches and paperwork involved.
The SNTE (teachers union) is probably the most political and most powerful of the unions in Mexico.
http://www.snte.org.mx/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Mexico
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elba_Esther_Gordillo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Education_Workers'_Union |
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