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Long term TEFLers where will you retire?
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Nabby Adams



Joined: 08 Feb 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:34 am    Post subject: Long term TEFLers where will you retire? Reply with quote

The longer I stay away from the UK the more I am coming to the conclusion that I don't want to go back. I'm earning a good salary at the mo but I also need to find a country to retire too as I wont be able to afford to live here in Japan when I no longer work. There must be many a long term teacher in a similar boat. Well at least the ones who aren't inheriting a house back home.
So where do you plan to hang up the chalk?

I'm thinking of somewhere like Malaysia or Thailand but not sure.
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sheikh radlinrol



Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Location: Spain

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Nabby. I'm in the same boat. I'd like to retire to the Costa del Sol or Mallorca. When I was in the Gulf I met a number of people who had set up home in Cyprus and were pleased. Not sure, however, if I'd want to eek out my remaining days next to ex-squaddies and Sergeant Majors.
As for the UK? I enjoy my visits but the weather is **** and it's so bloody expensive!
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Guy Courchesne



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My retirement plans - still 30 years away mind you - are to remain in Mexico most likely. Getting into real estate now and hoping to form a family soon. I see no reason to go back to Canada.
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hollysuel



Joined: 07 Oct 2007
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Location: Connecticut, USA

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have similar plans here in Finland. I bought my own home a few years ago and should have it paid off sometime in my 50s... who knows what life will bring, however... Smile


Guy Courchesne wrote:
My retirement plans - still 30 years away mind you - are to remain in Mexico most likely. Getting into real estate now and hoping to form a family soon. I see no reason to go back to Canada.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, most likely the Czech Rep for me...already own a flat there.
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guty



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Location: on holiday

PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it matter if you are single or have children?

When I was single, I think I could have lived or died anywhere in the world, it wouldn't have mattered much, I made my decisions as an adult.

But now I have kids, I would rather that they grew up in the first world and have the opportunities, i.e. the wealth, to leave it or not.

The alternative would be that they grew up in a poorer country where they would be comfortable, but would find it difficult to get the capital to set up in the first world.

In other words, if they grow up in Canada/US/UK/Oz, they can afford to go and 'play' in Czech/Thailand/Peru for a few years when they grow up. I dont think that would be true in reverse.

Maybe having children is why I left EFL as a career, it is a great job for a young, single person, but once you have commitments to anybody else, or you start to think about retirement, you have to re-evaluate everything.
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Nabby Adams



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to hear from posters who have sorted out property for themself.

guty, I think that you raise good points but there are people like myself who find the idea of going back to the Uk bad enough, let alone try to raise a family there.

Guy you work in Mexico city, right? Do you plan to live there after retirement? I mean, capital cities are great places for earning money but wouldn't it be hard to retire there? Actually if you don't mind how much is a decent place?

Spiral, same for you, a rough guide to prices if you don't mind.

I have savings that I worry about now as inflation takes hold. I'm not sure but the idea of buying a place now....mind you Im only 40-years away from retirement I hope, seems like it may be a good idea.

Cyprus.....hmmm, yes too many Brits and squadies there for my tastes.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most likely Peru, we're planning on buying property. we fix it up, and it's not fun living there while it's happening and sell. We figure if we do that a couple times we could live pretty well. BUt for now, I need a break from the lifestyle here.

Id' love to retire in thailand, but I don't think that my husband'd go for that.

But there's no way I would live in Lima to retire, two years here is enoguh.

guty wrote:
In other words, if they grow up in Canada/US/UK/Oz, they can afford to go and 'play' in Czech/Thailand/Peru for a few years when they grow up. I dont think that would be true in reverse.
Maybe having children is why I left EFL as a career, it is a great job for a young, single person, but once you have commitments to anybody else, or you start to think about retirement, you have to re-evaluate everything.


I agree, that's why I'd like to start a busienss teaching Spanish or English, I'm making double than I was four years ago, but working double the hours as well.

I've seen people go to the US, only to come back to Peru because they're used to the backwards way of doing tihngs, like bribes, not stopping at red lights, etc.
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Mike_2007



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think I'd like to go back to the UK either.

I have a flat here in Bucharest and over the next few years I'd like to invest in another. I have a while till I retire, being only 36, but the basic plan would be to move out to one of the small cities in Romania and rent out this and (if it all goes according to plan) a second property in the capital and live quite comfortably off the income. Seems a lot more secure and financially rewarding than depending on either the UK or Ro pension schemes.

Mike
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denise



Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Location: finally home-ish

PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guty wrote:
Does it matter if you are single or have children?




Since when was having children the opposite of being single?!? Shocked (Sorry--I'm a bit sensitive to the "Are you married?"question because where I live it basically implies that you don't work and have children. I had a doctor ask me if I was married before giving me an x-ray--because "they are not good if you are pregnant"and naturally all married women are always pregnant... Then I had someone ask me if I was married as a way to figure out whether or not I had a job...)

I still have dreams of returning to the US, but I seriously doubt I'll be able to afford any half-decent retirement, property, etc. My first priority is getting my student loans paid off.

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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Czech Rep is not cheap. That's not why I want to be there...a decent flat anywhere within 45 minutes of Prague can easily start around 75,000 USD these days. Houses would start around double that (obviously depends on age/condition/location, but single-family homes are generally VERY expensive).

The economy's relatively sound and both wages and prices grow, but not exponentially. What has soared out of reach for many is housing Shocked

It's not a place to take your TEFL savings and expect to live well.
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jpvanderwerf2001



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good topic.

Here in Russia, I'm married (to a local) and we own a flat. We also have a young son.

The conversation about whether or not to return to the States is one we've been having, off and on, for nearly two years. The biggest reason I can see for going back home is for my son to have all the opportunities I had growing up. However, I'm not--nor will unlikely be--as wealthy as my parents (my father having been a big-wig at a bank). I have had decently paid jobs in the US in the past, though, and I'm confident I could get another if we relocated.

One the other hand, we do have a quite comfortable life here in Russia and my wife has a great job (along with my decent earning potential), so I can see no reason to leave yet. We will have a difficult decision to make in the next few years!

In terms of retirement (I'd prefer working retirement), no matter where we end up in the short-term, I can see us settling down somewhere with better weather than the Russian Far East (or Minnesota) and with enough cash to live comfortably--perhaps SE Asia (a region we both enjoy) or Latin America.

I do have certain regrets about not investing in real estate in any of the countries I'd lived in before moving to Russia (mostly Ukraine, Mexico and India). The thought had never really occured to me in my 20s, and, in retrospect, opportunities were there. My recommendation is to look into owning property (as many on this thread have done) if you see yourself making TEFL a long-term career. It is probably one of the safest and most viable retirement plans for those of our ilk!
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
The Czech Rep is not cheap. That's not why I want to be there...a decent flat anywhere within 45 minutes of Prague can easily start around 75,000 USD these days. Houses would start around double that (obviously depends on age/condition/location, but single-family homes are generally VERY expensive).
The economy's relatively sound and both wages and prices grow, but not exponentially. What has soared out of reach for many is housing Shocked
It's not a place to take your TEFL savings and expect to live well.

Sounds like Peru. I still don-t get how people here can afford houses that cost nearly a million dollars. Our little place, 80 metres, far from the centre cost 40K and we-re hoping to sell it for 60K.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guty wrote:

Maybe having children is why I left EFL as a career, it is a great job for a young, single person, but once you have commitments to anybody else, or you start to think about retirement, you have to re-evaluate everything.


But leaving EFL isn't necessarily a requirement of that re-evaluation. You can also choose to upgrade credentials (like get an MA in TESOL / Applied Linguistics) and work on getting into higher education. There are lots of foreigners in Japan who make their career teaching English. It's just that like it or not, sometimes you have to spend money in order to earn (more) money.

My plan is to retire in Thailand, the Phillippines or Malaysia. I don't see myself retiring in Canada. By the time I retire, I won't have parents there, but I will (assuming no accidents or major health issues!) have a brother and sister (and one nephew at least). I don't plan on having kids, but I DO hope to marry (and hopefully pretty soon!!!!).

I think 're-evaluation' is a good, business-y sounding word (appropriate for retirement and finances types of topics) for 'plans change!'
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Mrguay84



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nabby, are you back in the UK yet?
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