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Tasmanian Devil
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| issue myself a business visa, |
You can't issue yourself a visa, the best you will be able to do is issue yourself an invitation letter to submit with your application for an F visa. |
What's the difference? I would still get the visa but without being tied down to one employer. |
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Ahchoo
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| Tasmanian Devil wrote: |
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| issue myself a business visa, |
You can't issue yourself a visa, the best you will be able to do is issue yourself an invitation letter to submit with your application for an F visa. |
What's the difference? I would still get the visa but without being tied down to one employer. |
You wouldn't be able to work on it. You'd have to get it changed to a Z when you found employment.
You wouldn't be able to employ yourself and sponsor yourself for a Z visa unless your company met all the criteria for employing alien workers and had all the right permits and licences. Hardly worth it.
Just as a matter of interest you stated in another thread that you had no intention of mixing with Chinese, that you wuld live in an international compound and work only in an international school.
If this is truly the case (impossible by the way) why not stay in your own country where you would hve a higher salary and a better standard of living?
You wouldn't have to barricade yourself in your compound. |
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Tasmanian Devil
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:05 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I *would* be able to work on it because I would already be employed by my company as a consultant. You don't need all those rights when you are employed by a company OUTSIDE of China, with registered offices in Hong Kong. How do you think it works? Mr. Jones from US firm XYZ goes to complete a 1-week project in China and so has to get a local employer to give him a Z visa......?! Don't be daft, they employ themselves/go as consultants/go as employees of foreign firms. Wake up! You don't have to be tied down to one employer! How do you think it works for managers who go to China for a meeting, of just a few hours! They go there to work, but do you really think they get a Z visa? Wake up!
I will do the same for the first few terms or years. There's no way I'm going to commit myself to 2 years with an employer until I've met them and spent a few days hanging around getting an idea of the atmosphere, etc. |
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Ahchoo
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| Tasmanian Devil wrote: |
Yes, I *would* be able to work on it because I would already be employed by my company as a consultant. You don't need all those rights when you are employed by a company OUTSIDE of China, with registered offices in Hong Kong. How do you think it works? Mr. Jones from US firm XYZ goes to complete a 1-week project in China and so has to get a local employer to give him a Z visa......?! Don't be daft, they employ themselves/go as consultants/go as employees of foreign firms. Wake up! You don't have to be tied down to one employer! How do you think it works for managers who go to China for a meeting, of just a few hours! They go there to work, but do you really think they get a Z visa? Wake up!
I will do the same for the first few terms or years. There's no way I'm going to commit myself to 2 years with an employer until I've met them and spent a few days hanging around getting an idea of the atmosphere, etc. |
Yes you are quite right of course. You 'would' be able to work in China. You just 'wouldn't' be able receive remuneration (get paid) in China. You'd need to be employed by a school based outside China and paid outside China. You also couldn't sign an employment contract in China. So not much point coming here to look for work if you can't sign a contract with a school you happen to find and like. |
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Voldermort
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| Yes you are quite right of course. You would be able to 'work' in China. You just wouldn't be able receive remuneration (get 'paid') in China. You'd need to be employed by a school based outside China and paid outside China. You also couldn't sign an employment contract in China. So not much point coming here to look for work if you can't sign a contract with a school you happen to find and like. |
That wouldn't matter to him with his ego and 8 year's of savings that he oh so fondly likes to rub our noses in.
The stupid thing is, if I were to be working an international schools schedule on my current hourly wage, I would be earning a heck of a lot more than this "teacher". And I'm sure many other "TEFL backpackers" here could say the same. |
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cj750nomad
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| There's no way I'm going to commit myself to 2 years with an employer until I've met them and spent a few days hanging around getting an idea of the atmosphere, etc. |
Often there is no need as there is usually is a clause (like a get out of jail free card) to absolve the relationship. If not u should be sure to incl. one....
the f visa is used as a business visa but in some provinces, a language school can hire on the f and pay in country. I think as to a determination of the law, a university shouldn't hire a teacher on an F but some do, however if the language school is determined to be a training school, then it is my understanding for short term contract, this is kosher. |
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Mr. Kalgukshi
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