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JL



Joined: 26 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Glenski. Thanks everyone.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I think JL's wife's US experience would be welcomed by many gaishikei companies here in Tokyo, although as you might imagine, it's not the best time to be looking for work in that field right now.

The point with the 200,000 yen salaries is that if people keep accepting such low amounts, the employers feel justified in paying them and then often try to drop them even more.


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JL



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara,
"The point with the 200,000 yen salaries... (employers) try to drop them even more."
True enough. Though I can't be picky, I won't stoop so low as to be wasting my time and hurting the market for fellow teachers. 200K is what I figure I need to aggregate by stringing together PT jobs. Of course, won't turn my nose up at more money! Surprised (Past midnight, here. I'll check this thread again, in the morn. O yasumi, everyone!)
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JL,
If you can't string together enough work to make 400,000 yen/month by yourself, something is wrong. It may not happen in the first 3 months or so, but it is definitely not that hard.

To even consider "aggregating" a mere 200,000 is a waste of your time, and so underestimating the market that it is almost laughable.

Many foreigners won't consider PT work because they need the FT employer to sponsor a visa (or they are just afraid of the instability or something of a PT job). Look beyond that, especially if you plan to be here only a year.
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Speed



Joined: 04 Jul 2003
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Location: Shikoku Land

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Just do it. Reply with quote

JL, if you're thinking of entering an eikaiwa, you shouldn't really have a problem.

Since you're a permanent resident and schools won't have to worry about sponsoring your visa, this is a plus. If you're looking to get at least 200,000 a month, no problem.

The age factor shouldn't matter too much as long as they perceive you to have a very good attitude, energetic, and appear to be low risk from fleeing the company/Japan.

Places like ECC don't seem to really discriminate on age very much and if you're looking to teach only adults, especially one-on-one, GABA seems like a good call.

If you're looking to get your foot back in the door, you should be able to pull it off without too much difficulty. Go for it and enjoy being back in Japan.
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JL



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski,
"f you can't string together enough work to make 400,000 yen/month... ...a mere 200,000 is a waste of your time"

Yeah? Well I'll just have to set my sights higher then! I'll roll up my sleeves when I get there, and make sure it happens. But good to know I was aiming too low, instead of too high.Very Happy Again, thanks as always.

Speed,
Thanks for the encouragement, and for the tips about ECC and GABA. I won't be picky in the beginning --I imagine getting that first job will be the hardest (after I prove myself all over again, and get to know people, I'd think that I'd then start hearing about other opportunities, too). If I have my druthers, I'll have a mix of lessons teaching various age groups and levels during the week. But again, I'll welcome any foot in the door. Looking forward to it --already feel the old juices flowing!
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Deicide



Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Location: Caput Imperii Americani

PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
I am not so optimistic about finding work being "no problem", even with PR.

Degrees are important to employers, whether we like it or not. I have seen a few ads that come right out and say no degree necessary, but very few of those, and most have looked lame or shady.

JL,
Did you realize that NOVA just folded last November, putting thousands of teachers on the streets? Japan is still picking up the pieces, I believe. And, yes, things have changed since 1997 (roughly the time I came to Japan).

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"Nobody can quote you percentages on "how often" places hire without degrees."
I'm not really expecting percentages --just a rough idea of what different people think.
I think you are beginning to get the picture that the rough idea is one word -- hard.

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I was hoping my prior experience and not needing sponsorship would be pluses.
You are right, but trying to find work from abroad is harder than being here. Much harder. Just what was your prior teaching experience anyway?

You have the right idea about trying to be here for spring. Just make it March and not after April, and you will maximize your chances.

However, now that you have brought kids (plural) into the picture, you need to consider salary. With a wife and at least 2 kids (ages?), you are going to need quite a bit just to break even in Tokyo. Entry level wages won't cut it, which means you will probably have to take on supplemental work (taking you away from your loved ones more), or your wife will have to work.

flyer's mention of part-time work makes me offer this bit of advice. Since you don't need employer sponsorship of a visa, you should consider taking on as many PT positions as possible, even without any FT job. There are quite a few PT jobs out there, and lots of people are unwilling to take them because they need the visa sponsorship.


Listening to the pessimists here it would seem even with a MA in Linguistics, a CELTA and several years teaching experience you cannot find any work other than an AEON. I wonder if your chances would improve only slightly if you had a PhD from MIT.? Laughing
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JL



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enjoyed your remark, Deicide (not sure what's up with your delightful little avatar, though Shocked ... back attcha! Surprised )

But seriously, I will be looking for work in a depressed economy with two handicaps (age, lack of degree). So I appreciate that nobody sugarcoated the reality for me. Overall though, people did give me the impression that I can find what I'm looking for. But I'll have to work at it. And that sounds fair enough.
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JL wrote:
Enjoyed your remark, Deicide (not sure what's up with your delightful little avatar, though Shocked ... back attcha! Surprised )

But seriously, I will be looking for work in a depressed economy with two handicaps (age, lack of degree). So I appreciate that nobody sugarcoated the reality for me. Overall though, people did give me the impression that I can find what I'm looking for. But I'll have to work at it. And that sounds fair enough.


Well...if Japan doesn't work out, there is ALWAYS Korea. Confused
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JL



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, Korea is not on the radar. I and my family have roots in Japan. Been to Korea on business, many times. Someday, I actually would like to spend time in China or Taiwan. But until my youngest is out of the house, it's Japan that's on the horizon. And that's more than fine by me.
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JL wrote:
Sorry, Korea is not on the radar. I and my family have roots in Japan. Been to Korea on business, many times. Someday, I actually would like to spend time in China or Taiwan. But until my youngest is out of the house, it's Japan that's on the horizon. And that's more than fine by me.


So you were able to recognise what a smelly dumphole Korea is just on business trips? Laughing
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JL



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha! Well, I'm not going to slur the country. But unless one has a specific interest in Korea, it wouldn't top a list of places to live. Japan has been the powerhouse of Asia, and China is it's future.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JL wrote:
Ha! Well, I'm not going to slur the country. But unless one has a specific interest in Korea, it wouldn't top a list of places to live. Japan has been the powerhouse of Asia, and China is it's future.


And Korea is for the losers. Laughing I am am/was one of those losers.
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