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Sheikh N Bake



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:28 pm    Post subject: Overseas branch campuses not beneficial to U.S. Reply with quote

I agree with the thrust of this article from the Chronicle of Higher Education:

By C.L. MAX NIKIAS

Prestigious American universities are franchising their brands in the Middle East and Southeast Asia, building campuses and making it possible for students in those regions to receive an American degree while remaining at home. In doing so, however, they undercut an important component of American education and economy: educating international students in the United States.

For undergraduates especially, life at an elite American research university � with its unmatched opportunities to learn both inside and outside classrooms and laboratories � cannot easily be replicated overseas. McDonald's, Starbucks, Burger King, and Pizza Hut may taste the same in Boston, Bahrain, or Bali, but the experience of being at a great research university is not so easily exported. Students benefit most when they come together, full time, in a setting that offers both intellectual and physical community, a place where core academic values such as intellectual freedom, the unfettered search for truth, collaboration, diversity, gender equality, and even good old-fashioned school spirit are protected and encouraged.

Such an environment best serves foreign and domestic students alike. Indeed, the presence of foreign students on our campuses is beneficial for American society as a whole. Domestic students can develop friends from all over the world and learn informally about their cultures. In doing so, they become better prepared to compete within a global society. That is crucial at a time when Americans are being forced to move from a Ptolemaic worldview, in which we are the center of the cosmos, to a Copernican one, in which we are just one (albeit very large) satellite in a greater system. International students are used to the latter worldview, so our children have much to learn from them.

Moreover, from an economic standpoint, American higher education is our nation's fifth-largest service-sector export. Foreign students' tuition and living costs amount to $14.5-billion annually in the United States, according to "Open Doors 2007," the Institute of International Education's annual report on international academics. Even more important, many of those students will stay here, providing a "brain gain" that will help fuel our nation's economic growth. Jim Clifton, chief executive of the Gallup Organization, has observed that most leading economists predicted a quarter-century ago that American economic growth would fall behind those of Japan and Germany by 2007. They estimated that Japan's gross domestic product would be roughly $5-trillion by now, Germany's around $4-trillion, and the United States' roughly $3.5-trillion. The predictions for Japan and Germany's GDP's were reasonably accurate, but America's grew to $13-trillion � unexpected growth that was attributable largely to the immigration of many of the world's best minds to America.

Even when foreign students go back to their countries, the United States still benefits. Those students typically return home with positive feelings toward our nation and, in my experience, are far more likely to build partnerships with American companies. And increasingly, in fields like engineering, the presence of foreign graduate students at American universities helps ensure that jobs stay here. With our country producing too few engineers of its own, some companies might be forced to move overseas without the American-educated foreign students to fill some of those jobs.

Our colleges and universities are still the envy of the world. More than 580,000 foreign students come here annually, paying full tuition, despite the fact that Australia and Britain, among other countries, court them far more aggressively. But we must be careful that we do not lose our edge. Increasing numbers of international students are now going to Europe, in part because of tightened U.S. visa requirements in the wake of September 11. We must ensure that those requirements properly balance our security needs with the reality that international students are an ever more important aspect of American life.

It is not to the United States' competitive advantage to erect higher visa hurdles around our university campuses or to franchise out a diluted version of our universities to foreign shores. Rather, we should be sure that the best talent can come here, for our own benefit, for the students', and for the ultimate good of the entire world.

C.L. Max Nikias is executive vice president and provost and holds an endowed chair in technology and the humanities at the University of Southern California
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! The eloquence cannot be denied! Everthing in a nutshell! Well put! It's not the quality of the sound, but the sound itself!

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007



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Overseas branch campuses not beneficial to U.S. Reply with quote

Sheikh N Bake wrote:
I agree with the thrust of this article from the Chronicle of Higher Education:

By C.L. MAX NIKIAS

For undergraduates especially, life at an elite American research university � with its unmatched opportunities to learn both inside and outside classrooms and laboratories � cannot easily be replicated overseas. McDonald's, Starbucks, Burger King, and Pizza Hut may taste the same in Boston, Bahrain, or Bali, but the experience of being at a great research university is not so easily exported. Students benefit most when they come together, full time, in a setting that offers both intellectual and physical community, a place where core academic values such as intellectual freedom, the unfettered search for truth, collaboration, diversity, gender equality, and even good old-fashioned school spirit are protected and encouraged.

C.L. Max Nikias is executive vice president and provost and holds an endowed chair in technology and the humanities at the University of Southern California

Well, it seems Max Nikias is very optimistic about American higher education!

But, Professor Robert Reich in one of his speech said this:
"Higher education in the United States is coming to resemble any other kind of personal service industry.�
"Products, higher education products, are sold on the market, there is a kind of marketisation that has set in,"
�A recent study of the 100 top ranked universities in America, that is the most prestigious according to US News and World Report, whose graduates have the major advantages in the job market in terms of getting good jobs at high pay shows that only 10% of the students at these 100 most prestigious universities only 10% of the students come from families in the bottom half of the income ladder. So overwhelmingly the most prestigious universities in the United States, the 100 most prestigious, are catering to students from families in the top half. Hence given that these degrees are related to getting the best jobs you can see how social stratification is perpetuated if not aggravated.� Prof Reich.

In the other hand, Ameerika finds itself obliged to compete globally in higher education, and opens university branches in China, India, ME, Malaysia, etc. If not, Ameerika will loose its share in the global market!

I think we are experiencing the end of Capitalism (for everything) and the start of Multilateralism!
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BigGuy



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you mean Amerika, not Ameerika?
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007



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer to use the word 'Ameerika' with two 'e' than 'Amerika' with one 'e'! Because Ameerika is more awesome than Amerika! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ever heard of euphony, 007?
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Sheikh N Bake



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

British and Chinese institutes rank American universities seven out of the top ten worldwide, including the first two spots. And about 70 out of the first 100.

America with "k" ... I've seen that before. And...slavery was finally abolished in the Gulf Middle East..when? Do I hear 1965? Can you spell
h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e? And how many people of African descent are about to become democratic leaders of democratic Middle Eastern nations? How many, did you say?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheikh N Bake wrote:
And how many people of African descent are about to become democratic leaders of democratic Middle Eastern nations? How many, did you say?

Well, as far as I know, there is one man of African descendant is about to become the next president of the United Sates of Ameerika, his name is Barack Hussain Obama, the future first African American president!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cripes, I just hope you guys haven't jinxed it.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think 007 is making a sensible point for once. The same is also true of the UK.
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15yearsinQ8



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tell the department of homeland security not to insult and belittle prospective visa applicants and not to do figrative rectal exams and multi-hour interrogations at airports and middle eastern students will once again consider studying in the usa
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D. Merit



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

15yearsinQ8 wrote:
tell the department of homeland security not to insult and belittle prospective visa applicants and not to do figrative rectal exams and multi-hour interrogations at airports and middle eastern students will once again consider studying in the usa


It seems to me entirely sensible that the authorities exercise due caution re Gulf Arabian travellers.

Back to the point - does anyone seriously think that a degree obtained at the sorbonne abu dhabi, for example, is equivalent to one obtained at the sorbonne, paris?

I mean, just because it says so on the label....

I also don't really see any parallel between McDonalds and their worldwide franchises and a top university with branches overseas.

To me it's more like the Louvre. You can license one to be built in Abu Dhabi and it will have no effect whatsoever on the reputation of the Louvre in Paris. It's just money for nothing, basically. Nobody with any sense will think for one moment that the louvre paris = the louvre, abu dhabi.

And those without sense are parting with a shedload of money, and keeping down the queues at the real place.

RESULT! Laughing
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Sheikh N Bake



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen...which point of 007's are you referring to? If it's the part about elite colleges welcoming only moneyed students, it's not true in the U.S. Princeton and others essentially give everyone except the wealthy a free ride with grants (not loans); they can do that because of their huge endowments. Thirty years ago I did not matriculate into an elite college, but I could have--unfortunately I was unaware that the government benefits I had from being poor and a Navy veteran could in fact have been sufficiently increased.

As for 15years' comment about Middle Eastern students, I was in the ME before, during and well after 9/11 and it was clear that the vast majority of people from that intellectually challenged region of the world cheered it on and/or believed the CIA did it. Then they expect welcoming kisses at Homeland Security? Yes, rigorous checks are not unreasonable.
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