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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:07 am Post subject: OBAMA PROJECTED WINNER |
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The subject heading says it all. HOOOOOOOORAAAAAAAAAAAY |
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Mark100
Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 441
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Eight years of misery and thankfully there is now light at the end of the tunnel.
Congratulations to Obama who is now president elect.
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Yes, we... did!!
What relief when Pennsylvania and New Hampshire started the landslide...
What a burden President-elect Obama has taken on...
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brasscat
Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 245 Location: Farpoint Mindstation
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: Of Politics & Off Topics |
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Gentlemen,
We know by now an off topic is just that, it has nothing to do with Saudi Arabia.
In a similiar vein, we know the usual off limits public discussions in Saudi Arabia are: Politics, Religion, and Alcohol.
Remember one thing: It is life here in the Great Sand Box you have to be concerned with, leave the rest for vacation time.
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Well, Uncle Sam is heart broken now!
Let's wait and see!
Are we going to see a real change in Ameerika or just a change of roles? |
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shadowfax

Joined: 31 May 2003 Posts: 212 Location: Pocket Universe 935500921223097532957092196
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Congratulations.
We hope that the painful experiences of the Bush years can be learnt from by various sides: USA, UK, KSA, Islamic lands, non-Islamic lands, generally.
If one pretends everything that happened was the fault of the Republicans, I fear history will incline to repeat itself.
I think Obama will need to magnify the curtailment of tax laxity beyond the present conservative projections. Surely earners of more than 60k net dollars can contribute more to a cautious levelling operation. Otherwise, their gold will but burn through their money sacks.
Furthermore, if the ludicrous growth of global population is not decelerated through the united efforts of religious and political leaders, a worldful of Obamas and Bandars will not stand much chance. Droughts, famines, tsunamis, decline in the quality of life for the vast majority, and wars seem likely outcomes. The battle for spheres of influence by the grand pietists will shew forth the fruit of their diabolic pride and hypocrisy in a harvest of human suffering and misery.
Long live the President, if so he worketh the people good. There is a small ray of hope.
Brasscat: I think the putative proscription on the subjects you mention has more to do with those who initiate arrogancy, bad manners, one-sided thinking, and bigotry, rather than with a rigid proscription. What happens in American elections can indeed be on-topic with regard to ramifications in KSA. But I take your point if it were to become an over-prominent and continuous debate. I believe that is unlikely. |
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: |
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I won't say anything for fear of being considered a 'party pooper'. Not that that's stopped me in the past... |
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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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As McCain appeared to be mentally unstable, it's probably safest that Obama wins.
Still he will undo much of the good Bush has done; until Bush a lot of people believed that American foreign policy was basically altruistic and benevolent. Bush performed the priceless job of making the true nature of American foreign policy clear and ensured that America was viewed as a rogue state by most of the civilized world.
Obama, like Kennedy, will continue the same foreign policy that has run from Truman to Bush, but will put a humanitarian gloss on it, that will fool many into supporting it. |
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:38 am Post subject: |
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until Bush a lot of people believed that American foreign policy was basically altruistic and benevolent. |
Those of us lucky enough to inhabit parts of the world not directly touched by America's often ruinous economic and foreign policy might have been able to afford the luxury of naivete.
However, those living in other parts of the world - including this one - have always known better. |
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Stephen Jones wrote: |
Obama, like Kennedy, will continue the same foreign policy that has run from Truman to Bush, but will put a humanitarian gloss on it, that will fool many into supporting it. |
Well, as far as the problem of Palestine is concerned, Obama did not come with anything new. He is following the same political path of Uncle Sam, and in one of his speech in front of Aipa, he said that the security of Israel is non-negotiable, and Jerusalem should be the united capital of Israel! Of course, his statement is un-acceptable by any wise observer of the ME crisis.
Obama did what he thought was necessary to get the post of the presidency!
And the price paid by Obama is to abandon any foreign policy that diverges from those of the pro-Israel, and anti-Palestinian lobby in the American society. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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Any politician who said that they wanted to make any big changes in US Middle East policy - other than ending the Iraq war - wouldn't be elected. I have long given up seeing any change in US/Israel policy. As a realist, I voted for the man that I felt would be best for America... and who doesn't think that every foreign policy problem should be solved by invasion or bombing (if the country has oil or gas that is)
If Obama thought this was a tough election, his problems have just begun. But, I am slightly more optimistic. There are difficult times ahead for all of us.
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I'm all for skepticism. Although I'm prejudiced, I consider myself in the upper ranks in that department. However, geezer and skeptic though I may be, I do allow myself the luxury of hope.
I will always eschew cynicism. So often, it's the protective armor many assume in order to forestall eventual disappointment. Perhaps guarded optimism is also only an illusion, but, given the choice, I'll take it over distrustful pessimism. |
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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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However, those living in other parts of the world - including this one - have always known better. |
America was generally considered friendly to Arab Nations until the 70s. It was Nixon who initiated the change in Middle-Eastern policy. Truman vacilated over recognizing, whereas Stalin jumped straight in, and in the Suez crisis in 1956 Eisenhower jumped in and warned the British-French-Israeli alliance to back off. |
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desert_traveller
Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 335
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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well this is how i see it
the campaign to a presidential election is like an advert for an item
the president elect is the advert only and not the thing itself
people decided that they liked the advert of obama better than the other bloke's
what the actual product that you pay for is going to be like remains to be seen as for now
i am not particularly affected by the vicotry of obama but im telling you this. lot of people who enthusiastically supported obama the person will become his most ardent critics within a year when they have realized that the individual is gone and replacing him there is the politician there, controlled by ... what? M O N E Y !!! |
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shadowfax

Joined: 31 May 2003 Posts: 212 Location: Pocket Universe 935500921223097532957092196
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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That's my fear, traveller. Perhaps I should have said a chink of hope rather than a ray derives from Obama's election. I never heard of a successful lawyer without a well-established Mammon syndrome. And a million dollarsworth of charitable donations amounts not to the value of a widow's mite. The grandiose claims to altruism must inevitably be the gloss on a grossly unbalanced distribution of wealth. Politics is rarely anything more than avoiding the worst of two very great evils.
Advertising is one of the most loathesome occupations. I nearly said profession, but in most cases that is a terrible misnomer.
Yes, there are some good advertisements for some good products; but the majority seem to prey on human vanity, animality and greed.
One of my worst is the TV ads for Qatar Airways. Different forms of weather are compared with the sumptuous 5 star sugar and cholesterol nutriments on board. But it is the seriously unfunny and repetitive humour that really infuriates. Things like: this afternoon there will be a hailstorm of the world's most exquisite vol-au-vents over Tokyo, subsiding later into a shower of chilled vintage champagne. Criminally vacuous and absurdly unamusing.
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