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sharter



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:16 pm    Post subject: Teachers/ like/ wine........... Reply with quote

Do you think teachers are like wine and get better with age?

My personal opinion is that most teachers peak at some point in their careers, (haha efl career=oxymoron), and that they then just kinda fizzle out ingloriously.

As a teacher yet to reach 40, I like to think I'm in my prime. I'm still energetic and creative, I know what I'm doing and why I'm doing it and there's still a wow factor when I'm in the classroom.

I've spent most of the last 8 years in the Middle East, where I've seen lots of brilliantly qualified, completely useless teachers. It must have something to do with age, the Middle East or both. I'm sure they were once good.

Rather than improving like wine, many teachers simply increase their intake of it.

Is that the future?
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Mike_2007



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teacher like to whine more with age, that's for sure.

When you're starting out you know nothing and know you know nothing.
When you're a few years in you know something but think you know everything.
When you're a decade in you know a lot but realise there's much more you don't know.
When you're two decades in you know a lot, not everything, but it's enough and you don't really give a toss about the rest.
When you're three decades in you've forgotten what you knew and think you know too much to bother learning anything new.

Twisted Evil
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denise



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've recently found myself in situations that would have completely frazzled me in the past, but now I am able to accept them without suffering too much stress. Prepping has become quite easy, my confidence has increased, my enthusiasm and interest haven't waned, etc.... I don't know if I've hit the peak yet but I have definitely noticed improvements.

And what's wrong with a nice glass of wine every now and then? Wink

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thelmadatter



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: wine Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with an occasional glass of wine, beer or tequila... unfortunately too many of us forget the "occasional" part.. I think its part of teacher burnout on top of the fact that we are alien and many of us come into TEFL with a lot of baggage.

I aint much better ... my poison of choice is food.
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been teaching off and on for about 15 years (scary!) and I still get fazed by students. What threw me today was that out of a class of about 25, five to ten have their own blogs and all of them chat on their pcs. Not one of them has ever written a letter. That made me feel really old.

Today in Italy is the feast day of San Martino. To celebrate, the head master brought in special biscuits and wine for the teachers. Nobody thought it was particularly strange that there was a 2-litre bottle of wine in the staff room... Kind of sums up Italy and the attitude to drinking wine!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nobody thought it was particularly strange that there was a 2-litre bottle of wine in the staff room... Kind of sums up Italy and the attitude to drinking wine!
Sounds good to me!

I think it really depends, but I have seen a few here that get pretty used to certain systems for classes they teach, and tend to have a 'no homework' mantra as they don't want to be bothered to correct it.

I am still playing with what I do after some 16 years of teaching (8 of them at unis), using blogs this semester, hope to use wikis next year.
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sweeney66



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm 47 but have only been teaching 3 years. I credit teaching with keeping me young and flexible, mentally. Stagnation v. Generativity, ya'know.
And, yeah, I like wine!
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the key is to change it up, new jobs, students, etc to keep you on your toes.
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Marcoregano



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teachers like both a good whine and, generally speaking, just about any wine.

An occasional glass of wine?? That sounds a bit like a recommendation from the vicar's wife! As has been substantially proven by the medical profession in recent years - and has been anecdotally evident to any unbiased observer of human habits for eons - a couple of glasses of wine or beer a day is good for you.

Unfortunately, as someone pointed out, we often err on the side of indulgence. Oh well, of the many vices available it's far from the worst. Anyone for a smoke?
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ESL Hobo



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently saw a documentary on Teacher Burn-out. Primary and secondary teachers. It said that 1 out of 3 teachers burn out and stop teaching before they reach retirement age, usually around the age of 50.

Perhaps this holds true with long term ESL teachers as well.
Personally, I am burned out on teaching kids unless it's a private class.
Also, I am burned out on teaching adults unless it's a private class unrelated to ESL.

For the younger teflers who plan to stay in this line of employment, my advice (take or leave it) is to start planning for a career change in your 30's or early 40's. You need not change from the field of Linguistics but getting 'Out of the classroom' by the time you are 50 is a good idea, unless you are doing Uni's or Teacher Training.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the idea of teacher training might be a nice change, or something in management where you're teaching less classes.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not one of them has ever written a letter. That made me feel really old.
We had stamps and post office come up in the text book. I asked the students how many of them had never written a letter. All hands went up. As the last letter I wrote was in 1996 when they were six or seven, I suppose it's not surprising.
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SueH



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marcoregano wrote:
Teachers like both a good whine and, generally speaking, just about any wine.
SNIP
Unfortunately, as someone pointed out, we often err on the side of indulgence.


Well, I must be getting older but at least I get more discriminating about the wine I drink. Mainly for taste reasons, but lighter hangovers as well. I prefer to think of whines as the safety valve on the pressure cooker, but satisfying none the less.

As for indulgence: tonight I will produce practical evidence as I'm not working tomorrow. Can't over-indulge too much from that 2 litre bottle as I'm going skiing tomorrow (not trying to make you jealous Denise!), but I do deserve something after today's primary schoolkids.
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denise



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SueH wrote:
I'm going skiing tomorrow (not trying to make you jealous Denise!)


Sigh. No such luck for me this year... Sad Have fun!

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ESL Hobo



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike_2007 wrote:
Teacher like to whine more with age, that's for sure.

When you're starting out you know nothing and know you know nothing.
When you're a few years in you know something but think you know everything.
When you're a decade in you know a lot but realise there's much more you don't know.
When you're two decades in you know a lot, not everything, but it's enough and you don't really give a toss about the rest.
When you're three decades in you've forgotten what you knew and think you know too much to bother learning anything new.

Twisted Evil


In general, True.
But I knew a young teacher in Thailand once who thought he knew everything, who was constantly griping and thought it was his one man mission to change everything that didnt match his cultural expectations for western style teaching. What a jerk, he also talked about his MOMMY back home A LOT. Laughing
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