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James Hetfield
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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 Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject: Apostille Stamp RETARDS! |
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I despise bureaucracy. Biggest reason why I resist teaching overseas: I despise visa lines and brain-dead clerks that make life not worth living! 
You say I need an Apostille stamp on my diploma to teach in Mexico and other Latin America nations. So I sent my Illinois Secretary of State my diploma requesting the apostille stamp as you suggested. Now some brain-dead clerk in the Secretary of State office is emailing me repeatedly, saying SORRY WE CANNOT POSSIBLY GIVE YOUR APOSTILLE STAMP.... They claim they cannot give stamp until I declare WHICH COUNTRY HIRED ME. HUH? Of course I need this stamp before I get hired. O NO NO NO SIR! FIRST you get hired THEN you get the stamp! HUH???
I told them Mexico. They ask when I will go to Mexico, as if it is any of their *beep* business. I said well actually I am going to Peru first. O NO NO NO SIR we could not POSSIBLY give you an apostille stamp for Mexico if you are going to teach in Peru! HUH???? What the????
Apostille stamp is just some stupid stamp they put on my original diploma stating they verify it is a true diploma. RIGHT? WHY THE *BEEP* are they harassing me with all these stupid questions about where I'm going to interview?
I told them THROUGHOUT LATIN AMERICA INCLUDING MEXICO. O NO NO NO SIR!!! You see we are a BUREAUCRACY so our job is to make up absurd reasons why we refuse to help you! Feel like I'm lost in Monty Python's Cheese Shop sketch.  SO WHAT THE *BEEP* are they talking about? Why do they need to know which country I will travel to? What the???  |
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ls650
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Location: British Columbia
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, the clerk at the Secretary of State office is wrong. Politely ask to speak with his/her supervisor. |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: "Retards" they are not. |
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| James Hetfield wrote: |
I despise bureaucracy. Biggest reason why I resist teaching overseas: I despise visa lines and brain-dead clerks that make life not worth living!
You say I need an Apostille stamp on my diploma to teach in Mexico and other Latin America nations. So I sent my Illinois Secretary of State my diploma requesting the apostille stamp as you suggested. Now some brain-dead clerk in the Secretary of State office is emailing me repeatedly, saying SORRY WE CANNOT POSSIBLY GIVE YOUR APOSTILLE STAMP.... They claim they cannot give stamp until I declare WHICH COUNTRY HIRED ME. HUH? Of course I need this stamp before I get hired. O NO NO NO SIR! FIRST you get hired THEN you get the stamp! HUH???
I told them Mexico. They ask when I will go to Mexico, as if it is any of their *beep* business. I said well actually I am going to Peru first. O NO NO NO SIR we could not POSSIBLY give you an apostille stamp for Mexico if you are going to teach in Peru! HUH???? What the????
Apostille stamp is just some stupid stamp they put on my original diploma stating they verify it is a true diploma. RIGHT? WHY THE *BEEP* are they harassing me with all these stupid questions about where I'm going to interview?
I told them THROUGHOUT LATIN AMERICA INCLUDING MEXICO. O NO NO NO SIR!!! You see we are a BUREAUCRACY so our job is to make up absurd reasons why we refuse to help you! Feel like I'm lost in Monty Python's Cheese Shop sketch. SO WHAT THE *BEEP* are they talking about? Why do they need to know which country I will travel to? What the??? |
Man dude, take a chill pill. 
They need to know because some countries don't recognize an apostille (Such as PERU  ) and you need to have something different to have docs recognized there. It's a process called legalization.
If you "despise bureaucracy" Latin America is not the place to teach or live. You'll be knee deep in bureaucracy before you know it. 
BTW if you don't like having the Sec. of State in the land of Lincoln do their job and find out what it is you need before you screw it up yourself you're hate everything about being here in Mexico starting with immigration.  The INM (Mexican immigration) employees don't even speak English and you're need a lawyer (or another person to be a translator) if you can't speak Spanish. 
They do know what they'll doing, they do this stuff everyday, contrary to what others might say. 
I took the following info from two websites listed below (bold highlights are mine). 
"In 1961 many nations joined to create a simplified method of �legalizing� documents for universal recognition. This group of nations is known as the Hague Convention. They adopted a document referred to as an apostille that is internationally recognized by all member nations. Documents sent to member nations, completed with an apostille at the state level, may be submitted directly to the member nation without further action. Documents sent to non-member nations require a certification (vs. an apostille) of the official�s signature. This is done at the state level and then needs to be transmitted to the U.S. Department of State in Washington D.C. and then on to the specific embassy or consulate.
Requirements for international documents:
Hague Convention Countries:
- Acknowledged before a notary public
- Notary authentication by the clerk of the county in which the notary is commissioned
- Apostilled by Secretary of State of the state in which the document is executed
Non-Hague Convention Countries:
- Acknowledged before a notary public
- Notary authentication by the clerk of the county in which the notary is commissioned
- Certified by Secretary of State of the state in which the document is executed
- U.S. Department of State will authenticate the document
- Document will be legalized by the embassy or consulate "
List of Countries and Territories Participating in Hague Convention
Albania
Antigua
Argentina
Armenia
Australia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Bahamas
Belarus
Belgium
Belize Bosnia
Botswana
Bulgaria
Colombia
Croatia
Cyprus
Czech
Ecuador
El Salvador
Fiji
Fenland
France
Germany
Greece Honduras
Hungary
India
Israel
Italy
Japan
Kazakhstan
Latvia
Lesotho
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macedonia
Malawi Malta
Marshal Isl.
Mauritius
Mexico
Netherlands (Aruba)
Niue (Savage Island)
Norway
Panama
Portugal
Poland
Romania
Russia
San Marino
Serbia Montenegro
Seychelles
Slovak Slovenia
Spain
South Africa
Suriname
Swaziland
Sweden
Switzerland
Tonga
Trinidad
Turkey
Ukraine
U.K.
Venezuela
Yugoslavia
http://www.usapostille.com/
This is from another website:
"The country of intended use is important.
Only countries that have signed or ratified "Article 12" of Convention of 5 October 1961 Abolishing the Requirement of Legalisation for Foreign Public Documents will automatically recognise the legitimacy of an Official Apostille Seal. The Apostille is guaranteed to be accepted by law. This means: Any Apostilled document is automatically regarded as legal for use without any further requirements in any other ratified or signatory country."
http://www.apostille.com/locations_and_jurisdictions.html |
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jfurgers
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:16 am Post subject: |
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You should only have to tell them that you're going to Mexico. You don't need to have a job, at least I didn't when I went through the apostille thing in Texas. You'll need to get the degree notarized first, then do the apostille.
See about speaking with someone else. You'll NEED that degree apostilled if you're coming to Mexico. |
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sarliz
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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Location: Jalisco
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you in Chicago? If so, they have a special office downtown in the Loop specifically for apostilles that's not in the Secretary of State's Office, which is maybe why they're clueless? |
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