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canucktechie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Location: Moscow

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rusmeister wrote:
They have almost no concept of bulk sales - unless you have a car and can easily access a place like "Metro" (which requires a membership card which you can't simply buy to get in). One bottle of beer costs at least a dollar, and most a Euro.

The Ashan where I shop (there are lots ot them in Moscow) has all kinds of bulk foods. A bottle of beer costs a dollar at a kiosk - at a supermarket you can get a litre for a dollar.

Here are some recent purchases right from the cash register slip:

Yogurt .5L 15.75
Milk 1L 28.5
Muesli 61/kg
Orange juice 1.5L 44

Apples and tomatoes are about 80/kg these days.

A roast chicken from the Kuri Grill stand is 150.

I agree that consumer electronics are poor value compared to back home but I did not come to Russia to buy a digital camera or flat screen TV.
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rusmeister



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dairy prices are unusually cheap - the others look like the standard inexpensive choices. And for the "hypermarkets" like Ashan there is the problem of getting there and transporting groceries home. If you have a car it's easy, but most one-year teachers don't acquire cars. I suppose if you live on a bus route you could manage it, but how do you carry more than 3 or 4 plastic bags? For most people, that particular option (Ashan, Ramstore, etc) would involve combing the metro (subway) and buses/trolleys, making 2-3 changes along the way, and especially carrying that heavy stuff home with your two hands, in God knows what weather.

In any event, it still doesn't work out to be cheap. On $1,000 a month you're just not going to get far. Even the military offers better options on hardship posts - they offer hardship pay and establish commissaries in the rough spots.
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GF



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canucktechie wrote:
rusmeister wrote:
They have almost no concept of bulk sales - unless you have a car and can easily access a place like "Metro" (which requires a membership card which you can't simply buy to get in). One bottle of beer costs at least a dollar, and most a Euro.

The Ashan where I shop (there are lots ot them in Moscow) has all kinds of bulk foods. A bottle of beer costs a dollar at a kiosk - at a supermarket you can get a litre for a dollar.

Here are some recent purchases right from the cash register slip:

Yogurt .5L 15.75
Milk 1L 28.5
Muesli 61/kg
Orange juice 1.5L 44

Apples and tomatoes are about 80/kg these days.

A roast chicken from the Kuri Grill stand is 150.

I agree that consumer electronics are poor value compared to back home but I did not come to Russia to buy a digital camera or flat screen TV.


What kind of ---- beer do you drink at that price? I was in Moscow for a month this summer and I could only drink foreign brands, none of which cost only a dollar. Most of the local stuff is horrid. I also found shopping to be expensive, but I have to admit I did most of it at Bila (can't complain about the quality, though).
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jpvanderwerf2001



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only beer you're getting for a buck is Tolstyak, or similar swill.
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canucktechie



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GF wrote:

What kind of ---- beer do you drink at that price?

Obolon. I lived in Kiev for a while and it's the next best thing to going back. Very Happy
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And for the "hypermarkets" like Ashan there is the problem of getting there and transporting groceries home. If you have a car it's easy, but most one-year teachers don't acquire cars.

Nor do a great many locals in Moscow believe it or not.

Look, if you can't be bothered to shop anywhere except your local producty food is going to be expensive. Just like anywhere else, if you want to get good prices you'll have to suffer some inconvenience. If you're not willing to do that, that's your problem.
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rusmeister



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canucktechie wrote:
GF wrote:

What kind of ---- beer do you drink at that price?

Obolon. I lived in Kiev for a while and it's the next best thing to going back. Very Happy
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And for the "hypermarkets" like Ashan there is the problem of getting there and transporting groceries home. If you have a car it's easy, but most one-year teachers don't acquire cars.

Nor do a great many locals in Moscow believe it or not.

Look, if you can't be bothered to shop anywhere except your local producty food is going to be expensive. Just like anywhere else, if you want to get good prices you'll have to suffer some inconvenience. If you're not willing to do that, that's your problem.


I get what you're saying and basically agree that what you say is also true. I'm just saying that it translates into having to go grocery shopping literally every other day, not once in two weeks like you might back home. You can only carry so much in two hands - a little more if you have a shoulder-strap bag. But it doesn't come close to the trunk of a car.

Obolon is a little better than the other ultra-cheaps, also agreed. But neither is it in the tier of good beers.
Personally, I go for the brands like 'T' (a cheap spinoff of Tinkoff) for straight light stuff, and Sibirskaya Korona (white beer is good) for beers under or around 30 rubles a whack.
The central problem with Russian consumer brands is that they often start off at reasonable quality, and after they earn their reputation and share of the market, they start watering it down. So it's really hard to stay loyal to brands.
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kazachka



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm vegetarian and I spend in the neighborhood of 2000 rub a week at the Perekrestok near my house. I live 10 min by bus from an Ashan, but it's more hassle to haul the stuff home from there than it is to walk 600m to the Perekrestok once a week. I eat fish, eggs, and dairy though. I have been veggie since 92 and never had any problems with it, but during the 2007 season, I began running like *beep* for no particular reason. I was training as always -not slacking. Early this yr, I saw a specialist/old friend of mine who deals with sports med/nutrition. I was sent for a few more blood tests and my serum ferritin levels ( measure of the protein in the body that stores iron) were in the TOILET! I really hadn't radically changed my diet, but I suspect part of the cause was environmental. It's not the cleanest of environments here needless to say. So I got proper treatment and felt like a human again in a short period of time. So, I would strongly suggest an iron supplement taken with vitamin C to enhance absorption if you are not a red meat eater here. Also, take your B12 and folic acid as well.Folic is found in fresh, green,leafy veggies, but in the winter they are harder to come by here. Also, since iron oxidises in the body, it's good to take an antioxidant like selenium to counter the oxidation effects. Trust me, anemia sucks and you don't want your blood count to drop so low that even when you sleep 10 hours a day you still feel crappy.

Cost of living- if you are paying your own rent, I would say bare bones minimum income should be about 3000$/mo. On 1000$ you will not survive. Groceries have gone up in price quite a bit in the past 3-5 yrs. Up until about 2004, I could eat like a queen here on 100-150$/mo but not anymore!
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anubistaima



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a woman who dated a local for over a year, I can tell you that you'll definitively run into trouble if you're independent and strong-minded. Women in Russia are expected to be fragile pretty things that can't basically do anything unless they have a man by their side. I've definitively butted heads with a lot of people (not only my boyfriend at the time) over this. Be prepared for a huge culture shock. I think Western men have it a lot easier when they come to Russia.

As for food, I'm a vegetarian and it's NOT easy, especially in winter. The price of vegetables goes up considerably once summer is over (I pay less than a dollar for a kilo of eggplants in summer and almost $7 in winter) and they're definitively harder to come by. Yesterday I saw a kilo of strawberries being sold for almost $15. Needless to say, I didn't buy it. I don't go out much, so I can't help there, but I have to agree that doing so would take a huge chunk of your salary.

I rent my own place, but this is because I have a side income (I work as a freelance writer) and can afford to. Otherwise, I would be stuck living in the apartment the school gave me when I first got here. I'm being nice when I say the place was a dump. I'm being really, really nice. Don't expect schools to find you a nice, comfortable place to live. They'll get you whatever's cheaper. I was never expected to share the place with a roommate, though, so sometimes you have to pick your battles.
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kazachka



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes- I can confirm that produce prices here in the winter are the pits and have SURPASSED ALASKA! Shocked Alaska has the highest cost of living in the US and I paid roughly double for groceries there than what I did in the Lower 48. Even EGGS are up to 50 rub/10eggs.
My BF and I can jam/ berries from the dacha and it's plenty to get through the winter on. Well, I do the picking he does the canning Wink Yes, he's local too but open minded and well traveled because he competed and raced a lot in Western Europe when he was on the Russian National Team. So he's familiar with different cultures and ways of doing things. But, yes , I hear you about some guys being sticks in the mud, but you can find sticks in the mud anywhere.
Housing- for heaven's sake- if you can afford it, get your own. You will save yourself loads of headaches and hassles.
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anubistaima



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I probably should point out that the guy I dated here was great (otherwise, believe me, we wouldn't have been together for over a year). He was also well-traveled, which I agree makes a huge difference. Still, the differences are there. So I don't want to say that Russian men are ALL bad choices. But it's also not a walk in the park to date one of them.
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canucktechie



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anubistaima wrote:
As a woman who dated a local for over a year, I can tell you that you'll definitively run into trouble if you're independent and strong-minded. Women in Russia are expected to be fragile pretty things that can't basically do anything unless they have a man by their side.

Oh please. They only act like fragile and pretty things. They're more independent and strong-minded than Western women.

Russia has a high divorce rate and that's basically because women would rather be on their own than married to a jerk.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't speak for the population in general, but the LUKOil executives I taught were 50% strong, tough women (and 50% strong, tough men). No fragile flowers there - and treated with total respect and equal interaction by the men.

I think at professional level things may be different in general. Though femininity is more generally enjoyed and considered socially acceptable than in the west (my take on it).
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rusmeister



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
Though femininity is more generally enjoyed and considered socially acceptable than in the west (my take on it).

I agree strongly, and have really enjoyed finding a place where both men and women are OK with being what they are, rather than striving to become like each other - most especially women striving for success on masculine, rather than feminine terms. It's an enormous relief after the enforced western climate that seeks to "Tuer la difference!" rather than let it live.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with Spiral's point that women definitely do not dress down in Russia. Rather the opposite. (Men are another story).
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