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arioch36
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GMatt
To the best of my knowledge, u r on the mark, unfortunately. Coming from your home country to Hong Kong , getting a z-visa in Hong Kong, on to CHina would seem to me to be a foolish hope.
If you are in another country (say Korea) why not try their?
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. One school in Fuzhou implied that it's all guanxi and they are well respected blah blah and won't have trouble getting me a visa (also said that all this was just Olympics-related hooplah and over and done with now).
Yet recruiters like Aston and Reach to Teach both told me that as far as they know--and wouldn't they know, being big-time legit recruiters?--Z-visas are only being issued in the applicant's home country, meaning those of us hoping to go to Hong Kong for the Z are SOL |
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the 1st has every reason to lie
the second, why would they lie about it?
u R in your home country now? why not get it there?
More convoluted and risky, mail your passport home and have a friend or agent get your z-visa and send it to you. No recommended |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| Just got a z visa in Hong Kong on monday. Though if in your home country do it there (why not). |
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North China Laowei
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: See Below |
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So are there no reports of successful Z-visa applications in Hong Kong at this time? I've been scouring the board but can't seem to find any solid info, it's quite maddening.
I'm getting tons of mixed messages from schools/recruiters. One school in Fuzhou implied that it's all guanxi and they are well respected blah blah and won't have trouble getting me a visa (also said that all this was just Olympics-related hooplah and over and done with now).
Yet recruiters like Aston and Reach to Teach both told me that as far as they know--and wouldn't they know, being big-time legit recruiters?--Z-visas are only being issued in the applicant's home country, meaning those of us hoping to go to Hong Kong for the Z are SOL.
I emailed the ministry of foreign affairs in Hong Kong with a very straightforward query as to whether or not it was possible even with all the appropriate documentation and received this cryptic reply (everything sic):
"For non-hongkong resident, you will meet the risk of failing of applying Z visa in hongkong, and then you have to go back to your country to apply again, and you have to reprepare all the documents again also.so generally we suggest such applicants to go back to their own country to apply Z visa."
From that part about "meet the risk of failing" it seems they're implying it's something of a crapshoot? Like, I might get it, but I might not? As to what criteria that would depend on, they say nothing. Awesome.
Might the Z-visa in HK or not issue be worthy of a new thread? It seems to me that this is a pretty major issue for the many, many teachers hoping to enter on an L and scout around before running to HK for the Z. Thoughts?
(sorry if this came off as agitated but I'm kind of going mad over the red tape--as you can no doubt tell, I haven't been to China before) |
I have written in another thread with the appropriate url's mentioned about the VERY recent changes (November 3, 2008) in this matter which were published in the Official Gazette.
As of November 3-4, 2008, an applicant for a Z visa may choose whether or not to get it in his or her home country or in a third-country for ease of processing. Z visas are again being issued by Embassies (or in the respective Visa Offices) of the PRC in Hong Kong and in Macau and in Seoul and in Tokyo and in Hanoi to citizens who are not residents of those countries. |
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GMatt
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: See Below |
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Thanks for confirming my fears, Arioch, distressing as that confirmation is! The fact is I'm not in my home country right now--I'm actually entering China on an L-visa this week to spend a month traveling. My plan was to get to HK after 30 days and get everything sorted out for a Z. I think the point for me here is that whatever the situation in HK re: Z-visas, if the schools I'm thinking of going with don't think it's possible--and thereby won't put in the paperwork etc required--then I won't be getting a visa.
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I have written in another thread with the appropriate url's mentioned about the VERY recent changes (November 3, 2008) in this matter which were published in the Official Gazette.
As of November 3-4, 2008, an applicant for a Z visa may choose whether or not to get it in his or her home country or in a third-country for ease of processing. Z visas are again being issued by Embassies (or in the respective Visa Offices) of the PRC in Hong Kong and in Macau and in Seoul and in Tokyo and in Hanoi to citizens who are not residents of those countries. |
That's certainly good news, NCL, although I couldn't find the thread you spoke of; would you mind posting the url here for those of us looking to read that article? Cheers! |
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arioch36
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Don't know if I have already mentioned, best for you to contact a visa agent in Hong Kong yourself. NCL says things are "back to normal". I am not disputing this, as I have no way of knowing. I have not yet personally been in touch with anyone who has done this.
But the visa agents in Hong Kong are pretty reliable and will have no reason to lie. One in particular, Everbright (foreverbright?) has earned a stellar reputation of not steering people wrong.
Contact them. No, I don't have their cardhandy, you can get it from the internet, it has mentioned many a time here on Dave's try a stick or a search. If you can't find it ask here again. COntact them and they will tell you straight. |
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North China Laowei
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: See Below |
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| arioch36 wrote: |
Don't know if I have already mentioned, best for you to contact a visa agent in Hong Kong yourself. NCL says things are "back to normal". I am not disputing this, as I have no way of knowing. I have not yet personally been in touch with anyone who has done this.
But the visa agents in Hong Kong are pretty reliable and will have no reason to lie. One in particular, Everbright (foreverbright?) has earned a stellar reputation of not steering people wrong.
Contact them. No, I don't have their cardhandy, you can get it from the internet, it has mentioned many a time here on Dave's try a stick or a search. If you can't find it ask here again. COntact them and they will tell you straight. |
Arioch36,
I posted this here only two-or-three days on another thread regarding the visa situation but here we go again. Read here regarding the current situation:
http://www.visainchina.com/visa2.htm
Regarding Foreverbright Trading Co., HK, look here:
http://www.fbt-chinavisa.com.hk/
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arioch36
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:48 am Post subject: |
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yes, NCL, I know YOU said all is well. I did not say YOU were wrong.
However you did not personally experience it. One person on Dave's reported no problem.
I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE WRONG! 
BUT I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE RIGHT
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I emailed the ministry of foreign affairs in Hong Kong with a very straightforward query as to whether or not it was possible even with all the appropriate documentation and received this cryptic reply (everything sic):
"For non-hongkong resident, you will meet the risk of failing of applying Z visa in hongkong, and then you have to go back to your country to apply again, and you have to reprepare all the documents again also.so generally we suggest such applicants to go back to their own country to apply Z visa." |
So I take that seriously and advise contacting a Hong Kong visa agent for confirmation. What problem with that advise do you have?. In China, what is written is always to be believed? WHat an official says is always to be believed?
The Hong Kong visa agents have proven over time they are the ones to be believed.
SO, yeah I believe that is the 100% best advice |
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North China Laowei
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:15 am Post subject: See Below |
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First of all, Arcioh36, referring a poster to Foreverbright for A "z" visa is a waste of time. They don't handle "Z" visas and they will tell you that directly. It's also on their website.
These are matters of government policy and procedure and yes, the policy has changed. It was published in the Official Gazette and is there to be read by all.
I put up one site in particular of, IMHO, the most authoritative visa agent in Shanghai -- in fact the only one that functioned almost near normal during the Olympic period. Their post is very clear and informative and surely they are closer to the sources than both you and I.
Thank you. |
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arioch36
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: |
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This is quickly devolving a useful thread into a useless thread.
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If the visa agents won't do the z-visas, then things definitely have not returned to "normal"
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| These are matters of government policy and procedure and yes, the policy has changed. It was published in the Official Gazette and is there to be read by all |
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| "For non-hongkong resident, you will meet the risk of failing of applying Z visa in hongkong, and then you have to go back to your country to apply again, and you have to reprepare all the documents again also.so generally we suggest such applicants to go back to their own country to apply Z visa." |
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| the most authoritative visa agent in Shanghai -- in fact the only one that functioned almost near normal during the Olympic period. Their post is very clear and informative and surely they are closer to the sources than both you and I. |
I don't know who decided this agent was the most authoritative. Personally I would chose a agent in Hong Kong to know the score more then one in Shanghai, but you know, if you take a look at the Guangzhou school thread, be careful in your blanket "all is okay" statements.
I would stay with my recommendation, don't trust getting a z-visa in Hong Kong to be a certain thing until the Hong Kong visa agents, who have not ever been found to be lying yet on this forum, say all is back to normal.
Oneperson, one person has reported being able to get his z-visa in HongKong. By the Op's reprot the Hong Kong office said maybe yes, maybe no.
Okay, I won't devolve this thread any more. No more posts from me on this one |
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North China Laowei
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: For The Record |
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Foreverbright has historically never handled Z visas. That disclaimer is on their site. They will handle all other visas except for Z and student visas.
Actually, I think that this thread has been rather informative. |
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