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Gusss



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:42 am    Post subject: Whats it like teaching in Japan ? Reply with quote

Whats it like teaching in Japan ? I realise that this is a faitly broad question so just say whatever pertinent things spring to mind . What are the pros and cons of working in Japan as opposed to other countries you have worked in ?
For example what are your working hours ? What you like, what you dont like etc
Just answer in the same way as you would if one of your friends asked you at home -. I am asking YOU what YOUR experience has been like, not what you think my experience would be like.


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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it is not "fairly broad". It is enormously so.

Help us to help you with information that you can actually use.

Degree
Work experience
Nationality
Long & short term goals


Teaching here (and in most countries) involves the following venues, many of which you may not even be qualified for:

public school K-12
private school K-12
kindergarten and younger
university
colleges, junior colleges, tech/vocational schools, etc.
business English companies
private work
international schools
owning your own school
FT vs PT
solo teacher vs. ALT/AET
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Gusss



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
No, it is not "fairly broad". It is enormously so.

Help us to help you with information that you can actually use.

Degree
Work experience
Nationality
Long & short term goals


Thankyou for your response.

degree yes
Trinity TESOL
experience 5 years +
British
long and short term goals :
Learn Judo, maybe work in rural Japan , save a bit of money, learn some Japanese, gain experience, teach businessmen conversation classes.


but I am interested in you and YOUR experience not what you think my experience would be like. What you like, what you dont like etc


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markle



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaching here is like well ... like teaching in Japan. Only different.
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Symphany



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're on ......the Japan board, just about every post here tells you something about teaching in Japan....here's a hint about Japan, the Japanese prefer you to infer something about your surroundings........
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Gusss



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My kingdom for a straight answer Laughing

Example :

What was it like teaching in Peru Gus ?

"The pay was crap, the people were friendly, the food was great and none of your students turn up on time but generally a relaxed place to work."

If anybody would kindly give me a simple answer to a simple question then that would be superb Wink
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chinagirl



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: answers Reply with quote

There is no straight answer, Gusss.

I've worked in Japan on two separate occasions.

I've liked it both times.

Completely different job scenarios both times, however.

One job with low salary, one job with higher salary.

First teaching adults and kids, then teaching teens.

One job in the private sector, one job in a middle school.

But, if this is what you want:

I like teaching in Japan. The pay is good for TEFL (if you are qualified - usually here that means a master's degree), and are finished teaching your first couple of years either as an ALT or as a teacher in a language school. The people are usually/sometimes/often friendly depending on your context and situation , and the food is good (if you like Japanese food). The language is relatively easy to learn to speak (but difficult to learn to read and write.)

If you want to teach adults in the evenings here you will find that most adults (usually men, but also younger women nowadays) tend to work long hours and often miss class or are late. College students act like high school students in many cases because college is often not taken particularly seriously. The kids are like kids everywhere, generally eager to do anything fun.

Working hours vary depending on the teaching job. Corporate/business teachers sometimes teach in-house during the day, while language school teachers may work 1-9PM and weekends.

Transportation (train) is usually reimbursed by employers here.

Making generalizations such as you are asking for is very difficult. My experience in Tokyo is most likely very different from any other teacher in any other region in Japan. You want rural? Maybe someone outside of a city can give you their experience.

Teaching in Japan is what you make of it, and there is an experience out there for everyone. First year teachers generally like Japan, because it's usually interesting to live in a new culture for the first time. Once the rose colored glasses come off, it's still fun but, well, a career/job that still requires work. Some people like teaching here, some don't. Most seem to like it.

You have 5 years of experience...where? Europe? Latin America? Asia? Knowing that would help us to make some comparisons for you.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"A straight answer"????

ESID (every situation is different), the motto of the JET program ALTs, pretty much says it all.

What is the purpose of shotgunning such an overly general question if we are not allowed to say what we feel your chances are here?

I've never taught in another country (taught English, anyway).

I've had 5 totally different teaching experiences here in Japan alone, so there is no way to lump them together and say, "This is what it is like to teach in Japan", and I'm not about to try explaining each situation. Not enough time.

Just to show you what I mean, let me bounce off chinagirl's responses:

She wrote:
One job with low salary, one job with higher salary.
Yet, she also wrote:
Quote:
The pay is good for TEFL.

Well, which is it -- low or high?

Quote:
The pay is good for TEFL (if you are qualified - usually here that means a master's degree)
Define good. Everyone has a different opinion. Salaries for entry level work have been falling in the past few years. People from the non-standard English speaking countries (like Kenya) are accepting wages that look good to them but that people from developed countries scoff at.

Quote:
The language is relatively easy to learn to speak
I can give you many examples of the opposite feeling.

She wrote:
Making generalizations such as you are asking for is very difficult.
Then she wrote:
First year teachers generally like Japan, because it's usually interesting to live in a new culture for the first time.
Generalizing such statements can get you into trouble. Look at all the discussion forums, where one of the top 2 reasons for posting is to complain about the job or culture.

This is not to knock chinagirl's answers. She puts it right out there with lots of generalities and caveats. She has no choice with the way you ask your question.

So, why do you ask? If you are writing a book or something, there are better ways of soliciting such info.

FWIW, you are probably qualified for entry level work here in an eikaiwa or as an ALT. Apply to JET or the big four eikaiwa.
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ripslyme



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I currently teach at a private elementary school. My working hours are 8-5 M-F, occasional Saturdays for special events like Sports Festival and Open House. Generally the kids try their best and enjoy learning English. For me personally, I find working with the kids to be quite fulfilling.

I live in a suburb of Tokyo. While the air quality here may be suspect at times, at least the streets are clean and safe.

The public transportation system, especially the train, is excellent. I bike/walk to work, but if I took the train/bus, my employer would reimburse me for it.

The Japanese food here is great. Other types of food, not so much (on the whole, Mexican food in particular is terrible).

I've met some pretty cool people and some real jerks here. It would be difficult for me to generalize what this experience is like. I suppose that generally I do not get along with people here (the locals) as well as people back home. Some of that is due to the language barrier, I'd say I'm at an intermediate level of fluency. A greater factor I think is the culture barrier.

At any rate, the bottom line is: I like living and working here. It is an interesting place, and I have a comfortable lifestyle.
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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Whats it like teaching in Japan ? Reply with quote

Gusss wrote:

Just answer in the same way as you would if one of your friends asked you at home


That's easy then: "Blackbery flavoured. Next useless question looking for a useless answer?" Smile
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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Apply to JET


Happily, he's too late to apply for JET this year, and he's also a brit so his chances of getting in are remote anyway because they are cutting back on the brits as they cause a disproportionate amount of the trouble.

Personally, going by his posts, just to generalize Wink I'd say he's ideal for Geo's eikaiwa.
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G Cthulhu wrote:
Glenski wrote:
Apply to JET


Unhappily, he's too late to apply for JET this year, however he's also a brit so his chances of getting in are less than they once would have been because the brits, although in general much more intelligent than your average JET, are also less likely to allow themselves to being walk over without kicking up a fuss and thus are percieved as causing a disproportionate amount of the trouble.
Fixed it for you.
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Brooks



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have taught in Morocco, Poland and Russia.
I would say students in those countries were easier to teach overall.
But in those countries it was hard to find a stable job.
I have taught some nice students in Japan but many were lazy and spoiled.
In Japan I have had to work more than anywhere. My school has a lot of workaholics.

The pay in Morocco sucked. But I had good students.
I enjoyed working in Poland and Russia.

In Japan, I think things have gotten worse. It is getting harder to get a decent job. Next year I will work somewhere else and take a pay cut.

I think Tokyo sucks. It is big, busy, crowded and full of unfriendly people.
It is just about work and money and nothing else.
I plan on moving in March and I will either live somewhere else in Kanagawa or I will move to western Japan.

So I would say - Morocco - good students, mostly
friendly, kind people
but low pay and still had to work on Saturday
dating not so good (conservative country)

Poland - good students, mostly
nice to travel in Europe on vacation
but long vacations with no pay
preference for Brits (I am American)
cold in the winter

Russia - good students
cold in the winter
too many drunk people
pay was ok, but then got cut
However I hear pay is good these days thanks
to oil money

Japan - stable job
good salary
but too much work - workaholic culture
burnout is possible
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Khyron



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:00 am    Post subject: Re: Whats it like teaching in Japan ? Reply with quote

Gusss wrote:
Whats it like teaching in Japan ?
It's not bad, but sometimes it's bad. Sometimes it's good.

Quote:
What are the pros and cons of working in Japan as opposed to other countries you have worked in ?

Pros: it's Japan!
Cons: it's Japan...

Quote:
For example what are your working hours ?
Between waking up and going to bed.

Quote:
What you like, what you dont like etc
I like stuff. I don't like... other stuff.


Quote:
Just answer in the same way as you would if one of your friends asked you at home -.
If one of my friends asked to general of question, I'd give them the same BS answers. Well, maybe I'd be detailed... but that's because they probably haven't taught in other countries, so I'd expect such general questions from them.
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dove



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaching in Japan is great when you get motivated students who have goals and who truly want to improve. It's also great when you are given the freedom to teach classes with different methods, original ideas and activities.

When you have fearful, passive, unmotivated students it can break your spirit. When you teach classes with a rigid, prescribed method that doesn't take students' needs into account, it also can be a grim.

The best classes I have taught have been with retired students at community centers (real salt- of- the- earth types who are just having an unabashedly good time learning). The worst have been teaching university students. Their passivity, timidity, and lack of effort always makes me think "Why bother?" (But I bother for the money, of course). At least they are well-behaved. I mean, no text books are being hurled at me.

Earlier this year, I spent 6 months teaching in Sao Paulo, Brazil. My students were all motivated and talkative. They were all quick learners. Unlike Japan, no one feared making mistakes. No one feared speaking too much and too well. (Some Japanese students worry that being too good at English might be perceived as showing off or even compromising their Japanese-ness.) The pay was pretty low, enough to break even, but not enough to save.

As much as I loved living and working in Brazil, I am happy to be back in Japan. There's more security here.
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