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girlcabbie



Joined: 26 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Mexico vs South Korea Reply with quote

I was originally considering teaching in South Korea, but I'm travelling with my dog and landing a job there has been a bit difficult with the pup/housing situation.
I studied Spanish in High School and have always wanted to travel south. I know that the pay situation is lower in Mexico, but so is the cost of living, but I'd rather be where me and my mutt will be happy. I see much fewer complaints about Mexico on the discussion forums than I do about Korea, but that could just be because of how many more people are on the Korean board.
Has anyone taught in both countries? Or travelled in both?
What do you love about Mexico. What do you hate about Mexico.
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Guy Courchesne



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They eat dog in Korea...that should be enough to tell you where to go.

If you want to earn money ala estadunidense, then go to SK. If you prefer to live life, then Mexico is your best bet.
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MO39



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana

PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Mexico vs South Korea Reply with quote

girlcabbie wrote:
I see much fewer complaints about Mexico on the discussion forums than I do about Korea, but that could just be because of how many more people are on the Korean board.
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Another reason for fewer complaints on the Mexico board could be that many people who move to Mexico to teach do so because they really want to live there, not because they expect to earn gobs of money. The converse appears to be the case with many of those who choose Korea.
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JakeJakeJake



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this country is bloody marvelous. mexico city is amazing. im about to move into a beautiful, perfectly located apartment (roma sur) with a balcony on language school wages. foods marvelous, weathers tiptop
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MO39



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JakeJakeJake wrote:
this country is bloody marvelous. mexico city is amazing. im about to move into a beautiful, perfectly located apartment (roma sur) with a balcony on language school wages. foods marvelous, weathers tiptop


Glad to hear that you're so happy with your decision to move to Mexico. Very Happy The usually perfect weather and food are two reasons why I enjoy living here too!
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girlcabbie



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the great responses!
MO39 -- I agree about the difference in motivations. Mexico was my first choice, but I talked myself out of it because I was worried about not being able to support myself there. I've _always_ wanted to experience Mexico.
My decision was made easier when I got yet another horrible hogwon contract from a South Korean school, complete with penalty clauses.
Also, it's bloody freezing up here in Northern California. My bus refuses to start in the mornings, even with the block heater plugged in.
So...
Mexico here I come! Very Happy
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MO39



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

girlcabbie wrote:

MO39 -- I agree about the difference in motivations. Mexico was my first choice, but I talked myself out of it because I was worried about not being able to support myself there. I've _always_ wanted to experience Mexico.
My decision was made easier when I got yet another horrible hogwon contract from a South Korean school, complete with penalty clauses.
Very Happy


"Penalty clauses" Question
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girlcabbie



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penalty clause: I you're "late" more than 3 days in a month, you will be docked for 1 day's pay.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

girlcabbie wrote:
Penalty clause: I you're "late" more than 3 days in a month, you will be docked for 1 day's pay.


What constitutes being "late" certainly varies from culture to culture, and surely the Korean take on it must differ greatly from its Mexican counterpart. Does your hogwon contract specify how many minutes will make you tardy?
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john_n_carolina



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...also, isn't the Korean Won in a nosedive right now? wages are getting close to $1200/mo there in S.K.

on top of that are all the new legalities since the pedophile case. i believe, you have to go home every year to reapply at your country of origin now? or, was this just a myth that the S.K officials floated??

i would be worried about the Asian market for the next year or so. the U.S. economy will still be in a long recession all the way through '09. plus, it always seems (from reading the SK forum) that the teachers are way too stressed out and always sick from something with the climate, air, hygiene, etc.

for a single person right out of college that wouldn't mind living in a cement cubicle on the 14th floor, SK might be OK.

however, there are beautiful parts to SK. if you can go as a couple, you will save ALOT if both are teaching.
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only been in Mexico City for six months but I can tell you that it's a great place to live. Personally, I have had a hard time finding a school that's good at paying on time but I may have found one that seems legit.

I believe once a person getss settled in here in Mexico that life can be good. I was reminded of why I like it here when I called my sister recently and she was complaining about her property taxes going way up and how the salaries are getting worse in the States.

Things are brighter here in Mexico I believe. I have to admit with everyone about the weather here....it's nice! I lived in Texas for the past eleven years and during that time I was awoken with the tornado alarms.

That's the one thing I don't miss from the States. I have a friend who is teaching in China and he kind of likes it but he wants to come to Mexico in a year probably because he's tired of the food. He says there's no variety and they turn the electricity off sometimes during the weekends.

He was in South Korea about a year and a half ago and he HATED it. He said they really hate North Americans and he never got paid on time. He likes China much better but wants to get to Mexico soon, His pay isn't a lot either.

He gets what's equal to $700.00 dollars a month but he doesn't have to pay rent. Mexico sounds much better.
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thelmadatter



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:06 am    Post subject: pollution Reply with quote

I gripe from time to time but if I didnt like Mexico, I wouldnt be here. (OK a great boyfriend helps too Laughing Wink )

My current gripe is the pollution situation. Wintertime means thermal inversion (relatively warmer air over the relatively colder valley air) makes for no escape of all the car exhaust and other lovely things floating around in the air. My eyes and my face at times have been burning since November. My boss says next winter Ill be used to it. Hope so.

However, this does NOT mean that I regret moving from Toluca!

I have to say Im really ashamed to admit my weakness here, being from New Jersey and all! Laughing

I just rewrote the Valley of Mexico article in English Wikipedia. After doing that, Im waiting to drop dead from cancer next week! ja ja ja
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mexico wins hands down.

But there is something to be said for having modern efficient banking, efficient postal service, and a living wage. Korean culture ....well, some things are best left un-said. *_* Just have a read through some of the Korean forums if you want a peek.

I often wish I could move back to Mexico, but each time I go back for a visit, I start to remember all the problems.

How would I deal with no bank account, no reliable postal service, overpriced and unreliable phone/internet service among other things?

Then again, how did I deal with it when I lived there? Hmm. ^.^
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jfurgers



Joined: 18 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:


I often wish I could move back to Mexico, but each time I go back for a visit, I start to remember all the problems.

How would I deal with no bank account, no reliable postal service, overpriced and unreliable phone/internet service among other things?


Exactly buddy. There are many things wrong with Mexico these days and they're only getting worse. I tell people thinking about coming to Mexico the bad side while most on this forum only tell of the good things.

And most of those aren't true. Anyway, something you forgot to mention or possibly didn't know, some schools here DO NOT PAY their teachers. Wall Street Institute School of English is one. I have emails from MANY teachers to prove that. Plus Harmon Hall in Mexico City doesn't like paying the WHOLE amount owed to some of their teachers.

If you know of anyone thinking of coming to Mexico City, please warn them about Wall Street Institute and Harmon Hall. STAY AWAY FROM THOSE SCHOOLS! You're better off going to China according to my friend. They pay ON TIME EVERY TIME and they aren't CONSTANTLY LYING like so many Mexicans here in DF.
Go to China buddy. The only good thing about Mexico City is the weather. Everything else?? Pretty bad unless you like being lied to constantly and having employers not pay you.
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MO39



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every time I read one of jfurgers rabid anti-Mexico rants (ooops, I meant to say reasoned posts), I find myself getting hot under the collar and want to respond ferociously to his comments. But just now I've remembered that Dave's is a forum in which all sorts of opinions are welcome, so I will hold my tongue.

However, with regard to some of some waygug-in's comments: Once I received my FM3, I had very little trouble opening an account at my local Santander Serfin branch and have had no problems using my account. The postal system isn't as reliable as it is in the US, but it has improved over the years, and any mail sent to me has arrived safely to my PO box. I don't find my telephone and internet service fees very high, and the service is generally fine.
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