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U.S. teachers in the NET scheme?
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jgmodlin



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:37 am    Post subject: U.S. teachers in the NET scheme? Reply with quote

Following up on some of the posts I have seen here, I wanted get your take on whether or not Americans are hired with any frequency. Someone on another thread had mentioned that few Americans were in the program and that the fact that interviews are not held anywhere in the USA supports this. With interviews only being held in Vancouver and Toronto, it would not be surprising that few Americans would gravitate towards the NET scheme. I can't help but wonder if there would be more interest on the part of Americans if there were interviews held here. I guess it is a holdover from the colonial days for HK to continue to recruit in former commonwealth countries.
I have 8 years of TEFL experience teaching in Japan, some of it with Tokyo Public schools. I returned to the U.S., went through a teacher's education program, and obtained my Virginia teacher's license with endorsements in ESL and Business Education. I now teach ESL at an urban public high school, but have applied to the Hong Kong NET scheme directly for a 2009/2010 secondary position. I am hoping that my experience and certification will suffice to get me an interview in Toronto this winter. The application was accepted and I have been assigned an applicant number, which is a start at least.
Lastly, does anyone have thoughts on whether or not the expat scene is welcoming to Americans in HK? I found Tokyo to be a nice mix of Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians, Brits, and Americans. Few schools seemed to care much about the nationality as long as they were from one of the aforementioned countries. Aside from the occasional drunk who assumed I was somehow responsible for who was in the White House, most non-American expats were very friendly to me during my time living in Tokyo. Hopefully this would be the case with HK too.
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. teachers in the NET scheme? Reply with quote

jgmodlin wrote:
Following up on some of the posts I have seen here, I wanted get your take on whether or not Americans are hired with any frequency. Someone on another thread had mentioned that few Americans were in the program and that the fact that interviews are not held anywhere in the USA supports this. With interviews only being held in Vancouver and Toronto, it would not be surprising that few Americans would gravitate towards the NET scheme. I can't help but wonder if there would be more interest on the part of Americans if there were interviews held here. I guess it is a holdover from the colonial days for HK to continue to recruit in former commonwealth countries.
I have 8 years of TEFL experience teaching in Japan, some of it with Tokyo Public schools. I returned to the U.S., went through a teacher's education program, and obtained my Virginia teacher's license with endorsements in ESL and Business Education. I now teach ESL at an urban public high school, but have applied to the Hong Kong NET scheme directly for a 2009/2010 secondary position. I am hoping that my experience and certification will suffice to get me an interview in Toronto this winter. The application was accepted and I have been assigned an applicant number, which is a start at least.
Lastly, does anyone have thoughts on whether or not the expat scene is welcoming to Americans in HK? I found Tokyo to be a nice mix of Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians, Brits, and Americans. Few schools seemed to care much about the nationality as long as they were from one of the aforementioned countries. Aside from the occasional drunk who assumed I was somehow responsible for who was in the White House, most non-American expats were very friendly to me during my time living in Tokyo. Hopefully this would be the case with HK too.


How fluent is your Japanese?
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Marcoregano



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:17 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. teachers in the NET scheme? Reply with quote

jgmodlin wrote:
I found Tokyo to be a nice mix of Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians, Brits, and Americans. Few schools seemed to care much about the nationality as long as they were from one of the aforementioned countries. Aside from the occasional drunk who assumed I was somehow responsible for who was in the White House, most non-American expats were very friendly to me during my time living in Tokyo. Hopefully this would be the case with HK too.


I'd say the above could be equally said of HK - it's a good mix of expats, with many from English speaking and non-English speaking western countries. The difference here is that I imagine there's a wider range - and greater number of expats - compared to Tokyo. And there are plenty of US NETS - my wife is one of them! So far as I'm aware, there's no discrimination against English speakers from certain countries. There may still be a slight (and, I'd argue, understandable) bias towards Brits at some schools, but not much.
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jgmodlin



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback on Americans in HK and the NET program. I am glad to hear there isn't real resistance to their participation and that the expat community is represented well. Just out of curiousity, Marcoregano, did your wife interview for the NET position in HK or somewhere else? Has she had a good experience thus far with the school system and her job?
I do speak passable Japanese, Deicide, but my lack of literacy in Kanji is a hindrance. I passed the national language test level 3 in Japan, but I doubt I would be able to pass the level 2 test. My wife would benefit from her language ability in HK if she were able to get work at a Japanese branch of some company.
Now that the cold is really settling in here on the east coast of the U.S. I am really excited to get the ball rolling and interview for the NET position. I know HK can be really steamy for a good part of the year, but it is a trade off I'll gladly take. Also, teaching school in the USA to refugees who hardly have concepts of time, numbers, or any phonemic awareness at all, is really draining. If the students in HK are anything like the Japanese ones I taught before, it has to be a lot better. Students who have gained literacy in their own languages have so much more ability to acquire a second language than those who are illiterate in their own. sigh...
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PattyFlipper



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't seen any recent figures but prior to the handover, Americans constituted the largest group of Western expatriates in Hong Kong - exceeding even the number of Brits by several thousand. Americans have always been well-represented there.
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Cohen



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Americans have always been well represented here, but not on the NET scheme. In close on one decade here I have yet to meet an EDB NET from the US. I have heard that there are some, but I am yet to meet one.

Remember also that the EDB does not recruit in the US. That should tell you something.

Personal experience tells me that principals, teachers, and parents do not exactly welcome American teachers as, if students use US spelling and/or grammar, they will be marked 'wrong' in the HK exams.
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Marcoregano



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cohen wrote:
Yes, Americans have always been well represented here, but not on the NET scheme. In close on one decade here I have yet to meet an EDB NET from the US. I have heard that there are some, but I am yet to meet one.


Then you obviously haven't met my wife! Wink Agreed that US citizens may be under-represented on the NET, but I don't think there is an institutional bias against them. To answer the OP above, my wife interviewed for NET here in HK. So far she has worked at two schools and found some of the common irritations frequently spoken of by expat teachers (and easily found on this forum) at both. But generally speaking, especially given the pretty decent remuneration, so far she has few complaints.
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Cohen



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I wouldn't know whether or not I'd ever met your trouble and strife, would I? As I say, I've heard there are some US NETs on the EDB NET scheme, but I personally am yet to meet one (and I visit a lot of schools as part and parcel of my work). And, to repeat, the EDB does not recruit in the US, and I think that speaks volumes about their attitude to US teachers (after all, they are more than happy to recruit in Canada, not exactly a million miles away from the US). And, I have to say, I have met a tonne of teachers and principals who prefer not to employ speakers of US English because "the parents wouldn't like it".....

I have however met an inordinate number of US teachers at international schools in HK, for what it's worth.
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