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beefer



Joined: 10 Feb 2006
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Location: java
PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:25 am    Post subject: do we still pay fiscal? Reply with quote
when we leave the country do we still have to pay the fiscal??.... i remember people before saying that they were getting rid of it ....sudah or belum?
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Fishy



Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was informed this week by my HR dept that I will no longer have to pay fiscal when my tax number has been processed; they're doing that at the moment.
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rayman



Joined: 24 May 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I believe the fiscal will be waived for tax file number (NPWP) holders from January 1st, 2009.

By that stage, you better hope you have a NPWP.

As we go from the sublime to the ridiculous...


Fiscal Tax will triple to Rp3 million

�Fiscal exit tax will triple,� Kontan reports in its main story headline. In a bid to increase tax base, the government plans to triple the fiscal exit for each resident who travel overseas. However Indonesian residents who possess an official tax number (NPWP) are exonerated from paying the tax. With the new regulation, residents departing on a foreign trip using air transport will have to pay Rp 3 million from Rp1 million previously, while those travelling on sea transport will have to pay Rp 1.5 million from Rp 500,000 previously. The plan is currently being discussed at the Directorate General of Taxation. The government wants to increase tax revenue from Rp 580 trillion this year to Rp 697 trillion next year. The Directorate General of Taxation also wants to make use of the remaining period to boost income before the Fiscal exit tax is scrapped definitely on December 31, 2010. Starting from 2011 there will be no more exit fiscal tax.
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malu



Joined: 22 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I went to KL the other day and paid up as per usual. I hope the bit about no fiskal for NPWP holders is true - I got my shiny new NPWP plastic card just a couple of months ago.

The Rp3m fiskal proposal, if it ever happens, will impact on many of our number. Have you ever heard of a McEF registering FTs for tax? Might be worth asking if employers intend doing so before accepting jobs in future.
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aku_tonpa



Joined: 03 May 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:39 am    Post subject: EPO and fiscal ax Reply with quote
I know you pay fiscal if you leave the country for a holiday, but how about if you are leaving permanently and have an EPO?
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tanyakenapa



Joined: 06 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The school who employs you should pay for the fiskal, if its an end of contract agreement...
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Fishy



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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As we go from the sublime to the ridiculous...

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Why is it ridiculous? Only those who are not paying tax on their income will have to pay the fiscal. IMO the government are right to charge people where they can if those people are choosing not to pay tax.
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malu



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Problem is, oh piscine one, that many FTs who don't have a tax number are under the impression that the employer is paying taxes on their behalf. The FTs are not choosing to evade tax.

I used to work at a national-plus school whose 'vision and mission' blurb was all about honesty and integrity but who didn't register any of the FTs for tax. I only found out when I moved to a better employer and they asked me for my NPWP number. "Wots that?", I asked...
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rayman



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Why is it ridiculous? Only those who are not paying tax on their income will have to pay the fiscal. IMO the government are right to charge people where they can if those people are choosing not to pay tax.


Let me explain why it's ridiculous. Meet this Indonesian family. The father has a legitimate job and an NPWP. The mother is a housewife and their two teenage children are still in school. They want to go to Singapore for the weekend to attend a wedding (funeral, holiday, whatever). That's Rp3 million for the mother and Rp3 million for each of the children (only children under 12 are exempt). So they must pay fiscal taxes alone totalling Rp9 million for a 2 day trip!

You are fogetting the children, housewives, elderly, disabled AND those with employers who refuse to pay employee taxes as malu pointed out.

As a personal example, I was recently pleased with myself for taking advantage of an Air Asia deal to KL. 2 adults and a child for just under Rp2 million. Now I'll need to pay another Rp3 million for my wife who is currently not working. That's an extra 150% of the total family airfare. Guess it wasn't such a great deal after all. Smile
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Fishy



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
malu wrote:
Problem is, oh piscine one, that many FTs who don't have a tax number are under the impression that the employer is paying taxes on their behalf. The FTs are not choosing to evade tax.

I used to work at a national-plus school whose 'vision and mission' blurb was all about honesty and integrity but who didn't register any of the FTs for tax. I only found out when I moved to a better employer and they asked me for my NPWP number. "Wots that?", I asked...


Hi malu, I wasn't suggesting that the teachers were choosing to avoid tax. However, the teachers can do a bit of research and make sure when they sign a contract that their company will get them either their NPWP or pay their fiscal if they have to leave. I didn't intend to spout blurb, but I do believe that a government has a right to collect taxes to pay for public services. They also have a right to impose measures that drive the behaviour of paying taxes. In this case, fiscal is one of those measures.

To Rayman,

I was not aware that children or spouses of the NWPW holder would have to pay fiscal, if that is the case then I agree with you, that is completely ridiculous. Are you sure that is the case?
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