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obsculta
Joined: 29 Nov 2008 Posts: 7 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: career-changer's plan |
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I�m on the verge of a career change, and would value the input of the Dave�s community. Please let me know if I�ve gone astray in my planning, and where!
I�m 37 years old with a B.A. in English and a background in grant writing. I�ve always been interested in linguistics in general and second-language acquisition in particular. Personal and professional upheaval makes this an ideal time for me to embark on TEFL.
My goals:
1) to teach mostly adults, preferably in a university setting (eventually).
2) to be able to return to the States some day if circumstances warranted.
3) to be in a setting where success is possible (i.e., small classes that meet frequently).
4) to have enough leisure to pursue my own linguistic interests.
Financial considerations and an interest in Mandarin lead me to consider Taiwan. My hopes would be 1) to save $10K annually over 3 years, 2) to bring my beginner�s Mandarin to working proficiency during that time, and, 3) to begin a Master�s program (TESOL or applied linguistics) in 2-3 years, either bricks-&-mortar, online, or some form of hybrid program.
I welcome any feedback from the Dave�s community, particularly re: the following areas:
* Since no 4-week TEFL training program is offered in Taiwan, are there any certification centers with special connections in Taiwan (e.g., Philippines, Thailand, or Shanghai)? I understand that certification is unnecessary, but it seems advisable to someone considering TEFL as a career�.
* I understand that the best way to get a job in Taiwan is to just show up on a visitor�s visa. Are there any cities I should consider that would allow me both to save money and to learn Mandarin? I�d like to live by a university just to participate in its cultural life, but affordability is also a priority.
* Silly question: Should I shave my beard? I remember reading that the Japanese like clean-shaven teachers, and it occurs to me that Taiwanese employers might have a similar preference.
* Please feel free to PM me if you have any leads you think I�d find helpful.
I�m a longtime reader of this thread, and hope I haven�t rehashed subjects covered in previous posts.
Thanks very much for your consideration. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: |
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1) to teach mostly adults, preferably in a university setting (eventually). |
Probablly no university work without a M.A. or PhD. You can try getting work at an adult language school. Adult Language schools usually pay less.
In regards to learning Mandarin you can take classes at a local university five days a week. Of course Chinese teachers will likely show you how not to teach a foreign langauge. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: |
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I would say that you should either choose to learn Mandarin or save $1000US a month. Doing both at the same time might be difficult. A five day a week mandarin course is about $600US (21,000NT) for three months. Tution for a year would be around $1800 US. |
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obsculta
Joined: 29 Nov 2008 Posts: 7 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for your helpful responses, JZer. I noticed from one of your older posts (2005) that you'd had considerable success w/ Mandarin after a year in country. Did you study formally at MTC or equivalent, or did you use more self-directed methods augmented by language exchanges, etc.?
Has anyone successfully saved money while studying Mandarin intensively? I can't imagine surrenduring either goal.
To clarify, teaching adults in a university setting is a long range goal. I have no trouble teaching various age ranges at a language school at the outset. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Has anyone successfully saved money while studying Mandarin intensively? I can't imagine surrenduring either goal. |
I am saying that it is more realistict to do one and then the other. No one ever said that you need to give up either goal. People on here often tell others what to do. Everything is an opinion. You could probably learn Mandarin and save money at the same time. My two cents is that studying Mandarin for two years and then trying to save money for two years would be a better plan.
Not to mention if you spend a lot of time teaching English you will be speaking English and not Mandarin. |
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JZer
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your helpful responses, JZer. I noticed from one of your older posts (2005) that you'd had considerable success w/ Mandarin after a year in country. |
Well be careful. Success is in the eye of the beholder.
But, I can go out on a date with a woman who does not speak English. Also, I speak Chinese most of the time I am not teaching English.
In my opinion, where you study is not the greatest indicator of success. As for spoken Mandarin, actually speaking Mandarin outside of class is more importan. I would guess that over 50 percent of students at MCI don't speak Mandarin that much outside of class. Most hang out with friends from their country or speak English. I see many girls that are often hanging out with a friend from their country, speaking Korean, Russian, English, etc. I have heard some of them speak Mandarin and they do not speak Mandarin that well. |
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JZer
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:57 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your helpful responses, JZer. I noticed from one of your older posts (2005) that you'd had considerable success w/ Mandarin after a year in country. Did you study formally at MTC or equivalent, or did you use more self-directed methods augmented by language exchanges, etc.? |
It would be helpful if you told me if you just want to learn spoken Mandarin or also how to read and write. If you tell me this I will give you a few other comments. |
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obsculta
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:12 am Post subject: |
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O.k., more about my mandarin interest. I�m still very much a beginner focused on input�listening to Assimil, FSI, Pimsleur, and various podcasts. It�s too early to say, but I don�t find the tones as difficult as producing/distinguishing between the various sibilants/fricatives (s, sh, ch, zh, x, j, etc.) & also of course the retroflex �r�. While I do have a background in language learning, this is my first sino-tibetan language.
I haven�t really started on the characters yet, but reading and writing will be important to me. I�d eventually like to know both the traditional & the simplified. I�m not terribly visually oriented, so I�m guessing this will be a significant challenge.
If I had to prioritize, I�d say it would be more important to me to have at least limited functional proficiency in speaking/listening before attacking the characters. But I�m not sure. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Well you could attend TLI. They use pingyin and you learn the vocabulary and grammar. You could probably attend TLI for two years and still save $1000NT a month. TLI does not test you very seriouslu so if you are not self motivated this might not be your best option. TLI is 10,000NT for three months ($300US). Make sure you come before July 1 or you will not be able to get your tax money back. This happened to me and I was out about $2000US because I arrived in Taiwan on September 1, 2007. There is no tax return if you come after July 1. |
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JZer
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: |
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obsculta, as for me I might try to learn Hakka if I am here long enough. That is one Chinese dialect in Taiwan.
If it is possible I might even try to do a second B.A. in Taiwan and work in the afternoon. |
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