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anguyen



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really does seem like a lot of people head home when they have little ones. Has anyone out there managed to make it work with kids in tow (by that I mean school age children)? How did you do it?
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senorfay



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only lao wais with lao wai kids here are missionaries and all their kids are home schooled.
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arioch36



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only lao wais with lao wai kids here are missionaries and all their kids are home schooled.


wow, there's some misinformation. Many schools offer beenfits for parent who are teachers to give them free schooling. A couple from Australia ahs been here three years. Their now 15 y/o daughter atttended a regular public school for two years, now is attending a semi international school for free . Another laowai's son went to the same school as her for two years.

Another couple with two younger sons attended the school they taught at, a k-6? school. Of course their children attended for free. I could sit and think of some other examples, but those are the first ones that come to mind.
Certainly any school you teach at wil let your children attend if they are the proper age, And most schools will help out setting your child up in a local school
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danswayne



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

senorfay wrote:
The only lao wais with lao wai kids here are missionaries and all their kids are home schooled.


Yeah and those thousands and thousands of laowai's here doing business in this land of opportunity never have any kids. It is refreshing however on this board to see someone besides China getting categorized for a change.
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Zero



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of foreigners raise their kids in China, sometimes in Chinese public schools. You can find plenty of Web sites and blogs about them. I think the idea of having one's kids educated in such a different system than the one they grew up in is very off-putting for a lot of westerners, and with good enough reason, I think.
It must be said, though, that Chinese students, on average, do end up with much better math and science skills than their western counterparts. Go to any major U.S. university and check out the PhD programs for things like mechanical engineering and molecular biology. Chinese and Indian students are the large majority, and in many cases you may not find a single American-born student.
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vikuk



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the idea of having one's kids educated in such a different system than the one they grew up in is very off-putting for a lot of westerners

Those of us in the know - detest the system not so much because its different (it's actually not so different from western 'the teacher is the unquestionable classroom master - the student has to memorize not question fact' schooling systems that prevailed pre-WWII) - but because of what it does to children. Of course the effects of Chinese Schooling can be compounded by bad parenting - pushing the child to a state of near collapse or total disinterest. Making sure your kids also have a life as a child and do not believe all the political indoctrination (that starts in a subtle way at kindy level - and gets stronger as the years go on) has to be sensible policy for those putting kids into the Chinese system.

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It must be said, though, that Chinese students, on average, do end up with much better math and science skills than their western counterparts.

Apart from the fact that I'd question the term - 'average Chinese student' and relying on Chinese statistics with regard to average education achievement - I'd like to know if you've already chosen a path of science for your kids - what if they'd prefer to be creative and choose the arts?
One of the biggest drawbacks for a student in this system is very lack of choice and the very small opportunity they have to use original thought and actually create - even at kindy level where creation and experimentation through the act of 'play" is a natural route to learning Idea
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eddy-cool



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

danswayne wrote:
senorfay wrote:
The only lao wais with lao wai kids here are missionaries and all their kids are home schooled.


Yeah and those thousands and thousands of laowai's here doing business in this land of opportunity never have any kids. It is refreshing however on this board to see someone besides China getting categorized for a change.


I used to know quite a few westerners living in China on expat terms; those with kids inevitably had to pay a hefty sum to have them schooled at a for-profit international school. Either they had to make daily commutes by car, get stuck in traffic jams for hours a day, or their kids boarded.

It works if the wife of the couple has no job here. If she does have one, then they need to employ a maid. Maids don't normally drive cars, though.
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Buck Lin



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not a fair comparison. Chinese kids must learn tens of thousands of Chinese characters. There is no creative way of learning the writing here. It requires repetitive copying.
I spend my time with wei-chi people and these people are creative thinkers. My best friend was the top doctoral student in mechanical engineering at BEijing National university. His favorate quote to me was that," Books poison your mind" People in the know don't spend their time reading but they bring in someone who knows and have them explain things to them. The key to learning whether here or in the west is in quality teaching.
The real problem in China is that there are too many students in classrooms. Primary students must sit with one hand behind their backs when writing because there are so many in the classroom. Those teaching conversational English with 60 plus students know the futility of trying to do a good job.
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Izzy215



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey there,

Just wanted to jump in one the discussion of raising kids in China and schooling them. I was 'raised' in China. Not my whole life, but for five years, age 10 to 15. I was homeschooled in the beginning and then I attended public schools. I only went to one International school and that was only for one semester. Both my sisters, along with me, did this. Granted, I took being educated in a public school better then my sisters. But that's not my point. I am trying to point out that it can be done, and successfully. I was further behind then my fellow Chinese classmates but when we came back to Canada for my grade 10 year I was fine. So, if anyone is wondering whether or not it is a viable idea to put their children into public schools while they live in China, I do not see any reason not to. Of course, it all depends on the individual parents and the children.

Anyways, I'm done. I haven't even been any use to the original poster...Sad
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Zero



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Izzy, your comments are useful, actually. they show that having western kids attend chinese public school is not the end of the world, as some may think.
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Izzy215



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well then, if that's the case, I'm glad I could help.
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