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cary.s.martin
Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Posts: 4 Location: Zhengzhou, China
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: Women teaching in the Middle East (esp. in Saudi) |
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Hello!
My husband and I are currently teaching in China and planning on staying one more year but then we were thinking of moving the Middle East (specifically Saudi Arabia) and I was wondering what it is like for a woman to teach of there.
I have heard mixed reactions and I was wondering what the best way to go about finding a good job for both my husband and myself. We will have two years experience and also our TEFL.
I was also curious about being a woman and over there. Some people are saying that I should steer clear but I would just like some ideas of teachers who are there and their experiences.
Any feedback would be amazing!
Thanks!
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Mia Xanthi

Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 955 Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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I am a woman, and I've been over here for quite some time. It is not a particularly difficult place for a woman to live. The two biggest difficulties are easy to overcome. One is wearing the abaya, which actually most people find eventually to be less of a problem than a convenience. The other is the fact that you cannot drive...but your husband can drive you or you can take a taxi. You will only be allowed to teach women, and they are usually pleasant and fun to be around. If you behave modestly and do not call attention to yourself, you will probably have no more problems here than you would any other place.
If you have a husband to run interference for you, you're way ahead of the game here. However, you should only consider coming if you both have jobs. The biggest problem that married stay-at-home wives face is boredom...and that can be a killer in the Kingdom. There is nothing to do here but work, so make sure you have work. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Since it sounds from your post as if you know little about living or working in the Gulf, the first question that I would ask myself is "why Saudi?" Why not Kuwait, Qatar, the UAE, or Oman? Saudi Arabia is the only country that makes women comply with local dress codes and restrictions. In all the other Gulf countries, it is more relaxed and you can within common sense wear your usual clothing and drive a car.
The next question is whether with your qualifications and experience if you really want to come to the Gulf. Are you only going for a perceived high salary or are you interested in experiencing "the culture?" In the Gulf, the high paying jobs with good benefits and working conditions normally require an MA and experience. There are a few employers who will hire with a BA +CELTA, but they also normally like to see more years of experience. Also, experience in Asia tends to be more focused on conversation classes. In the Gulf, the students will talk to excess and the majority of the teaching is focused on Academic reading and writing.
Most people who tell you to steer clear of the Middle East are those that know little or nothing about it and have never been there. Outside of Saudi Arabia, there are many single female teachers who teach there for years as I did and enjoyed it (and there are a few in Saudi). There are also many teaching couples.
I would spend some teach using the search on the different branches and reading around.
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Outside of Saudi Arabia, there are many single female teachers who teach there for years as I did and enjoyed it (and there are a few in Saudi) |
Actually, I know plenty of single women who have lived here happily for many years. If you don't need/want to drive your own car, and can live with the same restrictions which apply to both men and women (segregation, no alcohol, very few opportunities for entertainment) really it's not so bad. As Mia says, the dress code is not as onerous as many imagine: apart from the fact that it only applies in public places, many women (often to their surprise) find it to be quite convenient in practice.
I also second VS' comments: do some research on job requirements before applying. The better places require an MA and experience, even though many will accept those with a BA and a TESOL cert. |
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Sheikh N Bake

Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 1307 Location: Dis ting of ours
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Mia Xanthi wrote: |
There is nothing to do here but work, so make sure you have work. |
Well that's a ringing endorsement. Indeed, Saudi is one of the very few places in the world that is simultaneously filthy [the streets, at least in Jeddah] and totally sterile [life].
Anyone sensible nonreligious person who has been around and lived in East Asia will be appalled by life in Saudi. |
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cary.s.martin
Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Posts: 4 Location: Zhengzhou, China
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for all the advice! My husband and I are looking to make some money over there and then hopefully save up enough to go back to the states and get our Masters. I will for sure research around the area.
How are the students over there? I have heard that they can be difficult, is that true? |
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Sheikh N Bake

Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 1307 Location: Dis ting of ours
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: |
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You can make the same money in the UAE and be free to dress as you like, drink, dance, drive and work. My wife and I simply avoided blowing our money on amusements and new SUVs like the other knuckleheads there. But we still went out and had a good time, lived a normal life, and saved as much as anyone could in Saudi. |
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Mia Xanthi

Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 955 Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Well that's a ringing endorsement. Indeed, Saudi is one of the very few places in the world that is simultaneously filthy [the streets, at least in Jeddah] and totally sterile [life]. |
Nobody said it was beautiful, Sheikh, because that wasn't the question that was asked. I interpreted the question to ask whether it was particularly difficult for a woman to live here, as opposed to a man.
FYI, I agree that KSA is not a clean place by any means, and that life here is indeed sterile. However, it is only slightly more difficult for a woman to live here than it is for a man to live here.
I'm not trying to launch a "Come to Lovely Saudi Arabia" campaign, but rather just answering the question as I understood it. BTW, I wholeheartedly agree that a newcomer to the Middle East should try the UAE or Oman well before considering KSA. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: |
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KSA is okay. I have grown rather attached to the place over the years. As for Dubai and the UAE - wor | |