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[Aristotle]

[brian]

As I said in my post in response to this question, I am very confident that you wouldn't be deported for working within a kindergarten provided that you had your work permit through that school or it's affiliated company and are paying taxes etc.

Charles Mack wasn't teaching kindergarten and therefore comparing his situation to the question posed is a very tenuous link. Bear in mind that he had been implicated in a number of illegal activities in Taiwan, and failed to qualify for health reasons to maintain his residence here. I think that what happened to him was a disgrace, and something that Taiwan should be very embarrassed about, but I don't see that it in any way equates to the discussion on this thread.

[Aristotle]

Kindergartens have never been allowed to sponsor work permits. For a few months foreign teachers were allowed to teach in these schools provided they had written permission from their ARC sponsor, filed and approved with the local MOE administrator.
That is now prohibited and anyone working in a kindergarten is doing so illegally and subjecting their employers to the risk of extortion by the Ministry of Education of the Republic of China.
The rationale for this is obvious. The MOE recently had it's authority to authorize work permits to Foreign Teachers revoked because of all the bribes they were forcing private schools to pay them. In retaliation and to maintain their authority to extort bribes from private schools they have created the recent ambiguity in regulations. There is a major political shift expected next month and many of these officials are expected to flee to avoid accountability for their actions.
Any of you R.O.C. government cronies better keep your heads down.
They don't deport ROC nationals and you can be sure your reputations will follow you.
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[brian]

[killian]

brian, can you read chinese? if not, and for the sake of the folks playing at home...

go directly to the famous and much beloved www.tealit.com.

click on the "forum" option.

after following the aforementioned link look to the top of page. look for the link highlighted in red: "foreigners prohibited from teaching kindergarden in taiwan." click on the red letters. should be everything you need, including copies of the official edicts/orders.

tealit ain't good, but they do "special reports" such as this really well.

[TaoyuanSteve]

I recently interviewed at a school with a kindergarten. I asked them about the kindergarten situation. They were surprisingly honest (I think they liked me). They told me the arc they would have issued would be from their cram school only, not for the kindie (that's how it is everywhere). In the event of a visit from officials, I would have been notified to stop teaching my kindie class immediately and leave the room. Since they are also a cram school, it would not have mattered if I was found on site. In this case, I would simply lie and tell them I am there on cram scool business. They were quite frank with me concerning the situation re: kindergartens. They told me that currently no kindie is legal work, but every kindie has a foreigner. I haven't agreed with Aristotle much recently, but I think he might be right on this one. It might be wise to avoid kindies right now.

[Aristotle]

The national elections are next month and the ruling party is expected to lose badly. Hopefully that will facilitate major changes in personal at all levels of civil service. Particularly persons who have been abusing their positions.
This should all be over by April.
This persecution of Foreign teachers on the part of the Republic of China government is however an excellent opportunity for any and all teachers being affected to formally protest these action here on Taiwan and in their native countries. A simple email would be sufficient.
For more info please contact SSETT.
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