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Moving to Moscow now? Pros/Cons
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jpvanderwerf2001



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: thanks for the Intel Reply with quote

chuckd74 wrote:
thanks very much to everyone who took some time to enlighten as @ Russia

therefore, I will spend another year building my cash reserve in the middle East and look at Russia again in 2010

Question @ long term (5 to 10 years or life)
I am an American from Los Angeles, tried to start a school in China for 3 years, unpleasant learning experience

If I lean Russian , is it possible to do very well in Moscow with enough effort and connections?

or is it mostly luck?


With enough money, anything is possible in Russia (as with most places). But you'd better have serious bank! As maruss said, the bribes you'd have to fork out will make it difficult to start a proper school here. Not to mention the visa issues.
There are some steps to making some coin teaching in Russia, IMO:
1) Marry a Russian. This is the best way to get through the bureaucracy, no matter what designs you have;
2) Get temporary then permanent residency: The holy grail for ex-pats in Russia. It's very difficult to do w/o #1, but perhaps can be done with some under-the-table dealing (has anyone here done this w/o getting married?).
Now that you've got those two "minor" hurdles out of the way...
3) I'd get out of Moscow. As maruss said, competition is stiff there. Your best bet is to get to a smaller city--there's plenty of money to go around in most mid-sized Russian cities. Spend some time in some city, make local contacts; nearly everything is connections here. Russians value personal connections, and most see no barrier between personal relationships and business ones. Therefore, make the right connections and a whole host of opportunities arise;
4) Get an entrepreneur's license. With this, you aren't "tied" to a company/institution, and can work on your own (BELS is the expert here) while filing your own taxes;
5) Learn Russian. Do it, it's a huge advantage. Mine is admittedly still poor, but I keep working at it; and
6) While you don't want to be "tied down" longer-term, it's a good idea to have steady work for the first couple of years with an organization that can get you a work visa. This way you can work on points 1-5 while getting by.


So there you have it. six easy steps to really making it big in Russia. Not impossible, but definitely no piece of cake. Shocked

Good luck!
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maruss



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:15 pm    Post subject: Some very useful advice! Reply with quote

I would imagine it's probably much easier for a foreign guy to marry a decent Russian woman from outside Moscow than from the capital,for a number of reasons:
Firstly they don't have such high ideas of themselves, and would go for quality, rather than quantity in a person.
Chances to meet foreigners are also much less and there is a statistical shortage of available men anyway.
Of course there are downsides and the language and cultural barriers could pose problems unless at least one partner knows the others language well.
But at the end of the day,it takes two to tango and an guy who is a drunken,abusive slob with no work prospects or has other 'dark sides' which he tries to keep hidden is just as unlikely to end up alone in Russia as anywhere else!
There are also other factors too and I think that if someone of my age,55, found he was being chased by a gorgeous female in her late teens or 20's he should ask himself why and be very careful!
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expatella_girl



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes as I recall BELS was trying to incorporate under Russian law and create his own business. I'm thinking he didn't make it. He was in Russia for years and married with family.

BELS has disappeared completely from his Russian internet hangouts. He had a number of posts on another website for a couple of months about being discouraged with the Russian milieu and endless roadblocks and economic struggling, and talked about taking his family and going back to the UK. And then his posts ceased. I think he's gone home.

Too bad really. There are many fine things about Russia but it is an extremely difficult environment. Politically, economically, legally, and culturally.
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BELS



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's ok I'm still here in Moscow western oblast for the moment. I've rented myself a flat in the next block to our home, and use it as a classroom. It's a two minute walk to my work now, which is better than travelling all over the west teaching in family homes.

So no more roadblocks and Russian redtape involved with renting a classroom in a public school building, and I've got most of my student groups back plus more on the way.


We are now fighting with the British redtape (Spouse visa). We might be ready by the end of the year. It's very difficult to responsibly return to your own country if you are now a family of four.
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expatella_girl



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dah! You live! Very Happy

Wunderbar. You're such a fighter (even though I don't know you at all). Good to see you can still peck out a message here and there. I'm a lurker on a number of Russian websites and haven't seen a peep from you anywhere since last summer .......

I believe the discussion involving you began with a previous post about incorporating an English language school in Russia.

Carry on.
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BELS



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people get it wrong. I'm simply an independant tutor, and can be nothing else. If I ever became bigger and develop as a school I would need a license. For example I am unable to employ teachers.
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kazachka



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to see you back, BELS:) So if I got it right, you got your TRP and just pretty much went into business for yourself? This is what my other half keeps advising me to do unless I have to bail for Alaska in the fall. This is essentially what I was doing before the new visa rules happened. I freelanced and taught privately then went into doing the governess thing while still keeping my private students. I don't like to have to rely on my job for a work visa/permit esp since things are slow at work now. Actually, what I did was just open up that waiting list I had for people who had been asking about private lessons. BTW, a couple of my privates were made redundant as well, so it's not just my boss who is losing clients because of the crisis. Things are so slow at work now, that if not for my private students, I'd really be up----creek.
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