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ozman2
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 Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:00 am Post subject: will-tesol and visan regs help please |
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Hi all
I am a 49 year old male from australia, I have a degree and am keen to work and travel, I have been reading about Will-excel TESOL thats is run from Harbin, yep understand that its cold there, They are offering sponsorships from schools, the student pays $200.00 US, plus airfare and visa.......gets accommodation a 160 hour TESOL course...and then Gteed a job after finishing the course....question I have is now visa laws have changed and you must be out of country to get Z visa what happens?
because if you must have an employer already?????
I did send an email to them asking for clarification, the reply was that some schools can get visa from there some cant and you have to leave the country, this would seem silly to me as I would then have the cost of going all the way home to get a visa to go all the way back |
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arioch36
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personally i agree, it is silly, basically with their program u r teaching full time, the students pay full. thouht u got paid for your full time teaching "training" period. and no z-visa??? lame!
had another post about will tesol, maybe one of their fans can offer a different view |
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arioch36
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personally i agree, it is silly, basically with their program u r teaching full time, the students pay full. thought u got paid for your full time teaching "training" period. and no z-visa??? lame!
had another post about will tesol, maybe one of their fans can offer a different view |
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Kibbs
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You better pack a suitcase full of cash because you will not be able to convert your visa to work visa and you will have to leave the country to get your z visa once you do find employment.
These TEFL courses offered "in-country" are not technically legal.
They bring you over on a L or F visa, they charge students tuition, expect you to work for nothing while you are "learning" its quite ridiculous.
TEFL international has a similar operation. |
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YAMARI
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
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Location: shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Just get a job teaching( not in Harbin) and do your Tesol on one of your vacations if you still feel you need it. |
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Eyrick3
Joined: 29 Mar 2008
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Location: Beijing, China
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| Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| question I have is now visa laws have changed and you must be out of country to get Z visa what happens? |
You'll get the same answer from all embassies abroad: It's impossible to change a tourist visa to a work visa within China's borders.
The fact, however, is that this is not always true. Everyone who's spent any amount of time in China knows that the "rules" apply differently to different people, and in different places.
Your answer: some employers can do this, some can't. It all depends on that schools "guanxi", or relationships (i.e. connections). Schools that know or network with people in the government will have no problems switching your visa over once you arrive. |
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kdavid
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Location: Harbin, China
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All teachers that enter the program under the sponsored option are issued a work visa/residence permit by their sponsor school. This is a requirement of our sponsor schools.
Teachers who choose to do only the course (no teaching term) under the self-funded option are not issued a visa because when they arrive for the course they do not yet have an employer to issue them a visa.
Assuming these teachers entered China on a tourist visa, they would need to find an employer that could convert a tourist visa to a work visa in order to avoid making a trip out of the country. Teachers can easily indicate this requirement on their resume, cover letter, etc.
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| Your answer: some employers can do this, some can't. It all depends on that schools "guanxi", or relationships (i.e. connections). Schools that know or network with people in the government will have no problems switching your visa over once you arrive. |
I believe Eyrick's post sums up this point very well. |
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Kibbs
Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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Actually, you cannot get a z visa in country unless its with a major university or fortune 500 company. That is a simple fact unless you plan to mail your passport abroad to a China visa agent.
If I had an agenda and wanted to assuage the fear folks folks have entering into my illegal TEFL training program, I'd use some old "pre-olympic" information too.
What I want to know is what does your TEFL program do about educating people about the risks of working illegally through one of your programs? You know, when you are charging tuition to Chinese students and teachers and they are working on a L Visa?
Who is responsible for the cost of the return ticket if legal employment cannot be obtained, and also why do suggest that TEFL certification is required in China (when it isn't) and finally, why you promote these programs to individuals who do not have a four-year diploma when that too is clearly a violation of the standards required to teach English in China and work legally? |
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tuvia
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Location: beijing
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| exactly kibbs！ good questions。 |
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