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Isobel
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 Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:50 pm Post subject: Dubai vs. AD |
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Hi All,
Can anyone shed light on how much the salaries might differ for the same position in Dubai vs. AD? I'm assuming the same title, HCT institution and responsibilities, just different locations. Does the higher cost of living in Dubai translate into significantly higher salaries, or is it marginal?
Thanks,
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Isobel
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| Yikes, was this a really dumb question?? |
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Sheikh N Bake
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| No, HCT has a standardized salary scale. How it is implemented at the various campuses may perhaps vary. You are beholden to the whims of management. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| Isobel wrote: |
| Yikes, was this a really dumb question?? |
Don't worry... we've had dumber. 
If you are talking about university education TEFL salaries - especially at a place like HCT, they are pretty much standard in the UAE, not based on the city where you live. There may be a variance in what the employer pays to rent your housing, but you don't really see that. This is also true of ZU which has branches in AD and DB.
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Isobel
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks guys, that's good to know. |
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adorabilly
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Isobel.
You will hear rumors about HCT salaries being different, but usually they aren't.
the scale (as has been mentioned) is set, and it doesn't matter which branch you are at, you get paid the same.
Depending on your experience, your degree and what you teach you can find a difference in salary, but generally you will get paid what others with similar experience and education make.
Now, I do know that you can negotiate for a higher salary, but it doesn't happen often. If you are a content teacher you get paid more than just foundations english teachers too.
That is why I prefer living in a smaller emirate, the rates of inflation aren't so bad, and there is lots of cheaper alternatives. |
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Sheikh N Bake
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| Nevertheless, it seems to me I encountered somewhat puzzling salary differences within DWC. |
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Nordic
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Could there be different salaries for different nationalities?
I understand that English teachers are mosty native speakers (therefore beloning to premier class). But could that be a case in other faculties? |
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Manny2
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Isobel, it pays to negotiate. You do not have to accept the first offer they make you. Like all employers they will try to get you in at the lowest salary. Go back and ask why you are being offered this step on the scale and say you expected a higher salary. It is unlikely they will withdraw the offer , they may just say no that is all you can have OR they may offer you more. It has happened and does happen.
Nordic, I do not know if they pay/offer less to different nationalities but it all depends on what the employee accepts and they may make different offers to people comimg in on the same grade. That is why I never advise people to fill out their current salary on the application form. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Nordic wrote: |
Could there be different salaries for different nationalities?
I understand that English teachers are mosty native speakers (therefore beloning to premier class). But could that be a case in other faculties? |
Actually in the places that I worked in the Gulf this did not happen. Pay depended on education and experience, not race. But, there are places where it is done. It doesn't seem to be common at university level... but in International schools.
Negotiation depends very much on what you have to offer on your CV. If you are a relatively new teacher and relatively new to the ME, I wouldn't expect that you have much power... whereas if you have more to show, you may be able to get them up a little.
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Sheikh N Bake
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| The appalling George Mason University in RAK allowed a system to be set whereby full-time PhDs (content professors) from India were paid AED 7,000 while the native speakers in the intensive English program were paid AED12,500. Of course, George Mason is a Virginia state university, not a government-run UAE entity. Still, it was disgusting, and of course it would never happen in Virginia or any other US state, at least not so obviously. |
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s2000000
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject: monthly housing allowance for Abu Dhabi |
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Can anyone advise me on a reasonable amount for monthly housing allowance, to allow for comfortable acco. in a decent building, close enough to the city center? Realistic and knowledgable responses would be much appreciated.
Any other info. that goes with this, such as other conditions/aspects of the rental contract ( must pay all in advance, etc ), also really appreciated.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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Don't do it, don't do it, don't do it!!! If offered a housing allowance, don't walk...RUN away! It's either "accommodation provided" or nothing at all!
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s2000000
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Thanks NCTBA..gotta ask, why ? Why only "Acco. provided ", or nothing at all? Is the housing situation that dire ? No places avalible? prices too high?In that case, why wouldn't a (quality) institution provide housing, if they want to attract decent teachers? Whats the motivation?
Still, any ideas what would still constitute a fair monthly 'housing allowance'?
Its been awhile since I've been to AD..have the changes to the property market all been for the worse?
Thanks.... |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| s2000000 wrote: |
Thanks NCTBA..gotta ask, why ? Why only "Acco. provided ", or nothing at all? Is the housing situation that dire ? No places avalible? prices too high?
That's not the prob, Bob  ! Housing prices have been and will continue, for the foreseeable future, stay on the rise. AD got into the frenzied housing development stage considerably after Dubai as it has with its transportation remedies. As for your last three quasi-questions: Yes, yes, and yes.
In that case, why wouldn't a (quality) institution provide housing, if they want to attract decent teachers?
A quality employer would. You asked about a "housing allowance". That would seem to indicate that they're prepared to offer you a finite amount of money. If that's the job, don't take it as you'll certainly be paying out of your pocket...if not immediatly...certainly next year when the rents are raised. Understand this, it is common practice to demand a full year's rent before you move in. Also, allowances and what the flat that you live in are frequently NOT the same. For example, my allowance is slightly lower than AED 100,000, but the flats in my block that have been recently rented out go for more than AED 250,000. How is this possible? Many of the bigger organizations by flats soon after the buildings are completed and never change the first rental agreement, therefore, many of us who could NEVER imagine paying the ever-rising rent are able to have a place due to largesse...a kind of "rent control" scheme.
Whats the motivation?
"Motivation, we don't need no stinkin' Motivation!"
Still, any ideas what would still constitute a fair monthly 'housing allowance'?
I've given you an idea of what places are renting for in MY block!
Its been awhile since I've been to AD..have the changes to the property market all been for the worse?
Not in the landlords' point of view!
Thanks....
Your welcome!
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