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LiiQ
Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: What do you think? |
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Hi,
I just got an offer from a school in Riyadh. They are offering:
11000sar (basic salary), 1500sar (housing), 500sar (transportation) and medical benefit. Also, they want me to work double shift for the first couple of months. So is this a good offer? |
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like a reasonable offer for a new teacher, but one major questions jumps out of your post: Will the 'double time' be paid as overtime? Or do they just expect you to do it for free? Make sure you find out.
This is a lousy sum for housing. Most places offer at least twice that. Also, do you have to take outside housing or do you have the option of staying in housing provided by your employer? You also don't mention working hours or holidays. Details, details! |
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LiiQ
Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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I have to find housing on my own. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Dear LiiQ,
That's not at all good, then, as far as housing is concerned. You won't be able to find much other than dumps at that rate.
How about the "double time?" Definitely find out about that first.
Regards,
John |
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmmmm...... since you've said you have to find housing on your own, I reckon I know to which employer you may be going. If I'm correct, may I tell you that there are several threads on said employer already in existence on this board? It might be an idea for your to peruse them. |
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LiiQ
Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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If I want to rent an average apt. and buy average furniture, how much will it cost me when I get to Riyadh
Is there a deposit needed to rent an apt..
as for the double shift, it is 9-1 and 5-9. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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LiiQ wrote: |
as for the double shift, it is 9-1 and 5-9. |
Er...um...LiiQ, that's called a "split shift"...something traditional in the more temperate regions, albeit, not by English teachers.
NCTBA |
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, if he/she would be expected to teach all those hours, it would most definately be a double shift in teaching terms. Fine if you're happy with that and are getting paid double time, but make sure of that before signing on the dotted line.
I've never rented in Riyadh, but from what I understand a decent apartment would cost much more than 15,000SR, more again if you are renting for more than a single person or couple. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Granted. LiiQ, are you expected to teach 9 contact hours a day? That's ludicrous...potentially suicidal!
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egyptfan
Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Posts: 105 Location: Middle East
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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1500 SR a month for housing is way too low. Not only that, it's against Saudi labor law which states housing allowance should be 3 months' basic salary.
Any employer providing 1500 SR a month for housing and expecting you to work a split shift should be avoided. |
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trapezius

Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 1670 Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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For a basic salary of 11,000, the housing allowance should be 2,750/month (equivalent to 3 basic salaries for the year).
You should negotiate with them and ask for that. If they refuse, you can bargain and ask for 2,250, and eventually come down to 2,000 (bargain hard ), but no lower than that.
Perhaps more importantly, you should tell us what school it is, or at least, where the students are from? Is it a Saudi school? Is it a Western-managed Western-curriculum school? Or is it an Eastern-managed Western-curriculum school (unlikely, as the salary is too high for those)?
Your daily working conditions will have a far higher impact on your sanity and staying power here. |
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Mia Xanthi

Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 955 Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Also, they want me to work double shift for the first couple of months. |
I share the skepticism of my fellow posters, especially on this point. GET IT IN WRITING that you will be adequately paid before you agree to accept additional hours. My place of employment has asked teachers to volunteer to teach overtime, and most of them have only been partially reimbursed if they were reimbursed at all. Don't be so eager for a job here that you are willing to rely on the "goodwill" of an employer. There is NO goodwill here. |
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