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Dragonlady
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 Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:36 am Post subject: Student has nervous breakdown, banned from school forever |
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lozwich
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Has this student been banned, or has the decision not to return been made for some other reason?
Probably not for you to investigate, but why a man other than his father is picking up an 11 year old from school is curious to say the least. Sounds like he's been picked on by classmates, and maybe there's something else untoward going on as well.
Poor kid. |
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john_n_carolina
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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....he should see a doctor/psychologist.
i'm not sure anyone can analyze this online....you need to be looking in his eyes, position, reactions, tone, eye movement, what he says..
and even after long months of counseling one may never understand what went wrong....
sometimes we just can't understand the other people who have violent outbursts that usually end in far worse circumstances. the milkman who walked into the Amish school and shot 11 students a few years ago reminds me. |
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geaaronson
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:09 pm Post subject: aberrant behaviour |
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| I agree about his seeing a psychologist. Sounds as there is either a physiological basis for his aberrant behaviour or he is the subject of sexual abuse. |
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jillford64
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| Drugs perhaps too. |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| jillford64 wrote: |
| Drugs perhaps too. |
That was my first thought...though the boy is only 11, I think we're talking about small town Chiapas, aren't we? |
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john_n_carolina
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:08 am Post subject: |
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....i thought about that also. however, if he were under the influence of something it wouldn't be a "short" 5 minute temporary influence. and he probably wouldn't have been approachable or coherent. unless, he was UI before class started.
the falling to the floor and "seizure" like attacks would seem to have more of a medical basis.
to punch a girl one would have to have lost most of their reasoning, thinking, etc. almost "demonic" i would classify this as. |
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Dragonlady
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El Gallo
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| One needs to proceed cautiously. I have a 13 year old male student who has several scars on his hands and forearms that appeared to me to be cigarette burns. I was very concerned about child abuse until I asked him one day, "What happened?" "A dog" he replied matter-of-factually. |
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dixie
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| Dragonlady wrote: |
I want to do more reading on 'bullying in the schools'. With any luck I can put a bee in the English program's director to invite an expert to give an informative session for both parents and teachers. IMO it shouldn't be done by our psychologist. Any good web-sites you can direct me to to save me time searching?
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Good luck with that one. I worked at a school with a so-called psychologist who was - at best - a useless twit. But she was the one who dealt with all the of the problems and helped to develop solutions (which were always weak and inappropriate in my opinion) to student behaviour.
Bullying is a big issue back in Canada and the States so perhaps you can use the fact that schools back home are really trying to combat the issue to help you get in an expert (or at least get the ball rolling) in.
Seems a little strange to have two kids suddenly explode like this. I think at the very least parent meetings should occur and attention to the students' interactions with one another observed a little more closely (although kids can be great at hiding things).
Good luck! |
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john_n_carolina
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...one of my Aspberger's students used to have some of these problems. he had to leave Lit class every day to go walk around the HighSchool for 10 minutes and then come back.
he had a whole array/spectrum of physical / emotional things going on.
the two kids really need to be examined by a doctor. sleep, MRI's, blood tests, everything...
if the one kid in question is grinding his pencils in every class that is a form of OCD as well as other disorders.
...not sure what i would do with these two. some kids with autism are never disagnosed until they are 16,17 years old for lack of proper observation by the teacher. |
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Jetgirly
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This thread really emphasizes a lot of the things I found disturbing about teaching at a Mexican prepa.
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| I've never seen his parents |
At the prepa I was at, teachers were not allowed to speak directly to parents. If there was a problem, teachers had to go to administration, who would then meet with the parents without the teacher being there.
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| The other day a man picked him up from school |
We had to take attendance every class, but it was collected monthly. Any student could have been abducted and nobody would have known. Attendance was just another source of income for the school- if students missed too many classes they had to pay for summer school in order to receive their credit.
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| We actually have a psychologist at the school but I wouldn't trust my lunch with her let alone my child's well being. Some of her duties include unlocking secondary classrooms at 7a.m. and turning on the lights and fans, handing out bad behavior notices to secondary SS (this appears to be subject to some sort of quota system ), taking the soccer ball away from the secondary kids at least 5 minutes before recess ends because she can , keeping the teachers' room door locked so that we have to hunt her down whenever we need our stuff. Need I go on? IMO she's an incompetent bully. |
The prepa I was at had at least two administrators to every teacher, yet none of them had clearly defined responsibilities and they were rarely around. Frequently all administrators would go home around noon and not return in the afternoon or evening. I now teach at a public school in Canada, and although we are obviously supported by school board administration somehow we make do with a principal, vice principal, resource teacher and three secretaries for our 850+ students and forty-five teachers. Why do Mexican schools "need" so many administrators?
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| Kids are always coming to class tired without breakfast, rushed. Parents need to understand kids can't stay up until all hours as they do in Mexico and be alert at 8 a.m. and stay alert for 7 straight hours. |
At my school, classes started at 7:00 am. Lots of students left home at 6:00 am (a handful even earlier) to be there until 1:00 pm (3:00 pm once a week). My students were allowed to stay up pretty much all night and then show up for school as zombies the next day. The school didn't provide any healthy choices in the cafeteria for lunches, and they weren't open in time for breakfast. The students also didn't have lockers where they could keep lunches or snacks.
Why are schools in Mexico SO incompetent?
As an aside, I currently teach in the public system in Alberta and I'm a big fan of this program. I actually used the Behaviour Reflection forms with my Mexican students; they didn't care and admin thought it was a waste of paper, but I don't care. Mexican students need to learn to accept responsibility for their actions, as that doesn't seem to be part of the curriculum at home or at school. |
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thelmadatter
Joined: 31 Mar 2003
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Location: in el Distrito Federal x fin!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:35 pm Post subject: seizure |
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maybe its my experience having had an epileptic BF way back when, but when I read the OP my first thought was physical, not psychological but I wouldnt rule out the latter.
Had a student that had a seizure in class... thank goodness I was teaching an advanced class cuz my Spanish went out the window as I barked order to clear a space for her and get the doctor. Of course their English went out the window so we were even. However, it was nowhere as severe an episode as what the OP described. Only annoyance was the doctor constantly telling the poor girl to calm down... idiot. |
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fladude
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Demonic possession would be my first thought. |
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notamiss
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Location: El 5o pino del la CDMX
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| I've seen anxiety attacks that look like that, too; particularly the lashing out and white face. |
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