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gerard
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| In general the death penalty has been absent from civilised countries for decades. |
Mate the United States has never abolished it. At least some of them. And both Koreas. And the PRC is as civil as it gets.  |
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James_T_Kirk
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| I think the death penalty works in some societies and fails in others. In the United States, the death penalty is pointless because it doesn't deter crime and it is actually cheaper to keep someone in prison for life than execute them (at least this is my understanding...urban legend?). However, in Singapore, the death penalty seems to work very well. People know not to mess with the law in Singapore, because if you do, you are in deep sh*t! At least that was the impression that I had when I visited there. Is anyone here in Singapore right now? Is my impression inaccurate? |
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Aramas
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I studied martial arts for some time, and there seems to be an underlying ethos in Japanese and Korean culture that is uncomfortably evocative of cruelty or sadism to the occidental mind. The western conservatism adopted by both countries seems to be little more than a veneer applied over a base of barbaric feudalism. I haven't visited either country and have no desire to do so - it's just something that I've encountered as a martial artist. Aikido seems to be less that way inclined than most but if you dig deep enough it's still there.
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| Mate the United States has never abolished it. |
So where's the confusion? I did say civilised  |
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guest of Japan
Joined: 28 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| So is your problem with the death penalty, religion or America? |
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double agent
Joined: 18 Jun 2003
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Location: In the wild wild west
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:06 pm Post subject: this is a scarey thread |
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Does GOD and mercy have to be connected.
By doing this you alienated Buddhist, Muslims, Hindus, Jews etc....
IS sounds frightenly CHRISTIAN.... |
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Aramas
Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| So is your problem with the death penalty, religion or America? |
None of the above, since I live in a relatively civilised country - although it's becoming less so by the day. If I lived in a small country that had no allies and couldn't fight back, and was located on large oil reserves then I probably would have a problem, since most of my family would have been murdered and my country stolen. It's a good thing Halliburton isn't in the kangaroo business, or I'd be hiding out in the hills with a sniper rifle around about now.
Still, we're moving up in the fascist world. We have our own concentration camps now, but I believe the official term is 'Holiday Camp for Wayward Travellers'. They're run by an American prison company who manages to spend nearly 10 times as much as we do on our own prisoners, so they must be doing a good job. The UN and WHO don't like them much, but then what do they know about providing quality incarcerative care? (murders, rapes, child molestations and denial of basic medical care notwithstanding). They just don't seem to appreciate that if you want to make an ommelette then you have to break a few legs.
That's the misfortune of having a prime minister (god bless his knobby little knees) whose lips are firmly attached to the Clown in Chief's buttocks Strangely enough, unlike a certain psychotic cowboy who shall remain gormless, our Beloved Fuhrer (who knows what's best for us) is denied the basic right of pointing at someone he doesn't like and saying 'Off with his freedom!'. The indignity of it all! Now if only we could do something about him involving us in a war without the support of the parliament or the people. You've got to love democracy. The poor little fellow has had a rough time of it lately. After repeatedly bending over and taking it like a man for Uncle Sam, he was shortchanged with a 'Free Trade' deal that wasn't even close to free! Feeling like a rent boy would be bad enough, but feeling like a cheap rent boy must be devastating 
Incidentally, who said anything about religion? There are better and cheaper drugs if you're into that sort of thing. |
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Mike_2003
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
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1. Colombia 0.65 per 1000 people Outlawed 1910
2. South Africa 0.5 per 1000 people Outlawed 1995
3. Jamaica 0.33 per 1000 people Permitted
4. Venezuela 0.33 per 1000 people Outlawed 1863
5. Russia 0.2 per 1000 people De Facto ban
6. Mexico 0.13 per 1000 people Exceptional cases
7. Lithuania 0.1 per 1000 people Outlawed 1998
8. Estonia 0.1 per 1000 people Outlawed 1998
9. Latvia 0.1 per 1000 people Exceptional cases
10. Belarus 0.1 per 1000 people Permitted
11. Ukraine 0.09 per 1000 people Outlawed 1999
12. P N Guinea 0.09 per 1000 people None since 1950
13. Kyrgyzstan 0.09 per 1000 people Permitted
14. Thailand 0.08 per 1000 people Permitted
15. Zimbabwe 0.08 per 1000 people Permitted
16. Zambia 0.08 per 1000 people Permitted
17. Moldova 0.08 per 1000 people Outlawed 1995
18. Seychelles 0.07 per 1000 people Outlawed 1993
19. Costa Rica 0.06 per 1000 people Outlawed 1877
20. Poland 0.06 per 1000 people Outlawed 1997
Of the 20 countries with the highest rates of intentional homicide per capita, 10 have outlawed the death penalty, 10 permit it, although sometimes only in exceptional cases. Conclusion? Doesn't cross a murderer's mind at the time of the deed, therefore the death penalty does little to deter a would-be criminal?? |
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Steiner
Joined: 21 Apr 2003
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Location: Hunan China
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The death penalty is an appropriate form of justice.
It should also be outlawed. The processes by which a man or woman is condemned to die are deeply flawed and lead to innocent people being executed. This is true at least in the U.S. and, I'm sure, China--the only two countries I'm familiar with. If a system could ensure that only the guilty were punished I'd be for it. Until that time I'm against it. |
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FGT
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Location: Turkey
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If the death penalty is the punishment for homicide, shouldn't the executioners also be killed?
Is there no room for doubt? How often have we heard of someone having been found guilty and then the verdict is overturned.
Forget religion in this situation; it is immoral to take life.
"an eye for an eye" should be a very outmoded reaction. Haven't we developed at all in the last few thousand years? |
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dmb
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Sometimes I think that the ME hasn't developed much in the last 2000 years. |
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