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The Eikaiwas are cutting back.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2. The weary cynic who stayed too long. 'Eikaiwa teaching is like slavery.'

No it isn't.


Well, I am a well paid slave who is let out when I finish Cool ! Oh, wait that makes me a cynic (or a realist Wink )!
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womblingfree



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:


Well, I am a well paid slave who is let out when I finish Cool ! Oh, wait that makes me a cynic (or a realist Wink )!


I think most of us succumb to number 2 after a year or so at an eikaiwa. Wink

Imagine how jaded and whingy language instructors are going to be now that some companies aren't hiring fresh genki stock from abroad Laughing
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elkarlo



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
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Same with JET, I hear they are reducing it by %40 this upcoming year for Americans. An easy way to cut out expenses. It's nice having ALTs, but the school sdon't need that that much. I think as this gets worse some more cost cutting will ensue. I hope my ALT postion remains


Strange, as the government rolls out their start in 5th grade English education program (of course, it might be 1 or 2 x a week, but we'll see).

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This is why I made my point. Korea is now goin to use Indians. If they find they like it and or it is cheaper, i can see Japan doing the same. Both countires seem to be on the same model for ESL. This is an easy way for them to cut back. Much like the BoEs cutting back on JET and going for private dispatch.


Actually, it's starting to happen already and not just with Indians. Let's see, I have an Indian, a Bangladeshi, a Swiss, a Russian, and a German national all working at my school teaching English. Actually, I don't know if I should include the Swiss miss as she went to an international school and speaks 4 languages.



I know, they added a lot more English, yet I heard JET was ruducing it's budget, well at least for America by 40%. But JETs/ALTs don't teach English, just culture, so they must just be using J-Teachers.

There you go. If they already have some non-natives then what is stopping them from taking on more?

How are the Southern Asians that you know treated? In Korea I heard they get treated awfully.

Most Western Europeans I met in while in Japan spoke many languaegs. My Dutch friend knew Dutch, German, and French fluently. Knew a fair amount of Spanish too. Not so good with the Japanese oddly enough.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to work at an place that hires competent non-native speakers from all over including the Philippines and India. They were treated the same as all the other teachers. I also have a Pakistani friend (not Pakistani American or anything like that, born and raised in Pakistan so has an obviously Urdu-influenced accent) who worked as an ALT- he also never reported any ill-treatment or different treatment.

Generally speaking though, there is a very strong preference here for teachers with NZ, Australian, Canadian, US and UK passports and I don't see that changing any time soon.

Incidentally I think a lot of JETs/ALTs would disagree that they only teach culture, not English. Not all of them are human tape recorders.


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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I used to work at an place that hires competent non-native speakers from all over including the Philippines and India. They were treated the same as all the other teachers. I also have a Pakistani friend (not Pakistani American or anything like that, born and raised in Pakistan so has an obviously Urdu-influenced) who worked as an ALT- he also never reported any ill-treatment or different treatment.


They're on the same pay conditions (as far as I know), they are very competant speakers and bring their experiences of learning English to the table.

That being said, they don't teach advanced level students. As to whether they are treated the same, they do get more disrequests sometimes, and not for language related reasons.

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Generally speaking though, there is a very strong preference here for teachers with NZ, Australian, Canadian, US and UK passports and I don't see that changing any time soon.


Well, this preference is changing, but like many things in Japan, slowly.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

elkarlo wrote:
Same with JET, I hear they are reducing it by %40 this upcoming year for Americans.
I'd like some source on this one, considering Americans make up the largest percentage (about half) of JET ALTs.

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JETs/ALTs don't teach English, just culture
Wrong.
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Asher



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ECC cancelled my interview that was scheduled for February. I didn't get into JET this time around, so this is somewhat of a disappointment; especially since I could have gotten an interview in January, but wanted to find out where I stood with JET before interviewing with ECC.

I think my next step is to apply to Aeon and see if I can't get into the LA session during the same time period I was scheduled for ECC.
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elkarlo



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
I used to work at an place that hires competent non-native speakers from all over including the Philippines and India. They were treated the same as all the other teachers. I also have a Pakistani friend (not Pakistani American or anything like that, born and raised in Pakistan so has an obviously Urdu-influenced accent) who worked as an ALT- he also never reported any ill-treatment or different treatment.

Generally speaking though, there is a very strong preference here for teachers with NZ, Australian, Canadian, US and UK passports and I don't see that changing any time soon.

Incidentally I think a lot of JETs/ALTs would disagree that they only teach culture, not English. Not all of them are human tape recorders.


Ok that's good to know. I figured since they were coming from a poorer nation that they would be more prone to abuse and the such.

Well not all of them are human tape recorders, but a lot that I met seemed to have no actual responsibilites to perform.
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elkarlo



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
elkarlo wrote:
Same with JET, I hear they are reducing it by %40 this upcoming year for Americans.
I'd like some source on this one, considering Americans make up the largest percentage (about half) of JET ALTs.

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JETs/ALTs don't teach English, just culture
Wrong.


I heard it from a returning JET. I also saw it on BigDaikon(not a reliable source I know). So it MAY be happeneing, I am not sure. But it seems every year the JET program seems to shrink, and the past few years it has been noticable imho.

I also think a lot more people are being turned down for the Interview part. Which could be one or both of the following. More people than ever applying. Or the program is intending to hire less ALTs.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elkarlo,
Look at the stats in the JET pamphlet. The number of Americans has fallen only 10% in the past 4 years, and the overall number of JET ALTs has fallen only 23%. With the inroads made in the public school system by dispatch companies, this is not surprising.

But it is also not an indication of a 40% drop!

One JET ALT and an admittedly dubious web site like BD are very poor supports for your statement. I hope Cthulhu comes here and says more because he has firsthand info on this. Until I see that, I will refuse to believe what you have written.

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I also think a lot more people are being turned down for the Interview part.
You "think". Got anything to support that claim, too? Again, I want Cthulhu to write.

Perhaps applicants look worse and worse. Have you thought of that? That would justify turning them down.
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RollingStone



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would an indicator be the rising age limit? My understanding is that originally it was much lower than now

If an indicator, that could point to declining quality among original age range pool, decrease in applicants within original age pool or increased higherings(sic?). Could it point to anything else? So if it is because of not the latter then it must be because of one of the former?

I heard via completely unsubstantiated rumour that though the official ceiling is 40, unofficially it was raised to 43, due to declining applicants. I applied and did not get an interview. Maybe the rumour was false, or I comparatively suck.
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elkarlo



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
elkarlo,
Look at the stats in the JET pamphlet. The number of Americans has fallen only 10% in the past 4 years, and the overall number of JET ALTs has fallen only 23%. With the inroads made in the public school system by dispatch companies, this is not surprising.

But it is also not an indication of a 40% drop!

One JET ALT and an admittedly dubious web site like BD are very poor supports for your statement. I hope Cthulhu comes here and says more because he has firsthand info on this. Until I see that, I will refuse to believe what you have written.

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I also think a lot more people are being turned down for the Interview part.
You "think". Got anything to support that claim, too? Again, I want Cthulhu to write.

Perhaps applicants look worse and worse. Have you thought of that? That would justify turning them down.


I was just going of Hearsay, as I said I was. I didn't say anyone who really knew was involved. So sorry.

True applicants may be getting worse, but also more people are wanting to go to Japan. Have you ever gone to Japan-guide.com? There are plnety of Weeabu who want to go to Japan, D_mn the Torpedos and all. So that can flood the system.

I helped my friend prepare for the JET application. She imho had a pretty decent application. No interview at all. Then again no one knows the exact criteria that JET actually uses for selection.
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elkarlo



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RollingStone wrote:
Would an indicator be the rising age limit? My understanding is that originally it was much lower than now

If an indicator, that could point to declining quality among original age range pool, decrease in applicants within original age pool or increased higherings(sic?). Could it point to anything else? So if it is because of not the latter then it must be because of one of the former?

I heard via completely unsubstantiated rumour that though the official ceiling is 40, unofficially it was raised to 43, due to declining applicants. I applied and did not get an interview. Maybe the rumour was false, or I comparatively suck.


On the JET site it says after 39 the chances for being accepted diminish.

I would like to know how many people apply to JET, how many make the interview, and how many make it/are wait listed.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there really more people these days wanting to go to Japan and teach? Hard to say. Yes, I've seen that site. Been scouring sites for useful information for over a decade now, and I visit half a dozen sites or so every day.

If there really are more people applying, then it only makes mathematical sense that more would be rejected just because the number of JET positions is either fixed or is diminishing. Thanks for your clairification, though.

I, too, would like to know the success rate and total number of applicants for JET, but I suspect JET will never divulge those figures, and that they vary depending on country. I've seen people in the know write that JET requirements are rigid in some cases but not in others. One person wrote that they were on the selection panel, and even though they thought one applicant was woefully in adequate for the job in many ways, the Japanese panelist(s) overrode them and hired the person just "because he is so cute" or something like that. Sigh.

Yes, of course one's chances diminish after 39, but they aren't zero. Junior high kids respond better overall to younger teachers anyway. I wonder if our resident poster Cthulhu can respond to this. I seem to recall seeing him write that not only is JET hoping to get people with more teaching experience these days, but they are also hiring more and more of the over 40 group (although I suspect those numbers are very low percent increases).
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
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2. The weary cynic who stayed too long. 'Eikaiwa teaching is like slavery.'

No it isn't.


Well, I am a well paid slave who is let out when I finish Cool ! Oh, wait that makes me a cynic (or a realist Wink )!



I was a weary cynic BEFORE I came to Japan. Coming here just reconfirmed my world view as the right one Wink
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