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Dan The Chainsawman
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 Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:24 pm Post subject: TEFL International 120 hour cert accepted? |
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I'm considering moving to Indonesia. I have 3 years teaching experience in Korea, I will have 1.5 years in China, and I have a college diploma.
I want to get the Celta, but my departure date doesn't seem to allow me the time to go do the course without having to idle around for a month or three.
Would this course be recognized in Indonesia?
http://www.teflcourse.net/index.htm
Thank you in advanced,
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Chancellor
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: TEFL International 120 hour cert accepted? |
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| Dan The Chainsawman wrote: |
I'm considering moving to Indonesia. I have 3 years teaching experience in Korea, I will have 1.5 years in China, and I have a college diploma.
I want to get the Celta, but my departure date doesn't seem to allow me the time to go do the course without having to idle around for a month or three.
Would this course be recognized in Indonesia?
http://www.teflcourse.net/index.htm
Thank you in advanced,
-Dan |
Ah, yes, the brand name vs. generic debate.
Whatever course you take should be at least 120 hours in addition to at least six hours of teaching practice with real EFL/ESL students. Beyond that, you can look at things like who accredits the course, what experience the course instructors have, the actual course content, etc. Whether a particular course is accepted is a decision the prospective employer makes. |
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Dan The Chainsawman
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Mainly I'm interested in how a prospective employer will view the course. I'd really like to take the CELTA as there is a center in Jakarta that offers it. However, my departure date will put me in Indonesia a good three months before the course starts.
Laying around in Jakarta, unemployed, isn't a high priority of mine. |
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Dan The Chainsawman
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Very true, but does anyone know how non-celta TEFL certs are viewed in Indonesia?
Does the brand really carry that much clout? |
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fladude
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Dan The Chainsawman wrote: |
Very true, but does anyone know how non-celta TEFL certs are viewed in Indonesia?
Does the brand really carry that much clout? |
I'm in the same boat, except with Thailand. The CELTA course I wanted to take starts a whole two days before I could get there....... (which is more like 4 days too soon since I don't want to get off a plane and go straight to class). So I'd either have to sit in Florida unemployed for another month or take a generic TEFL.
I decided that I'm just going to take a generic TEFL. I already have a couple "real" degrees in the US. I'll just risk it. I figure that the odds of landing a job are as much random as anything else. I might be wrong, but it won't be the first time.  |
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malu
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| Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| Dan The Chainsawman wrote: |
Does the brand really carry that much clout? |
It's not actually the 'brand' as such that matters but the content, the amount of practical work, and the standard of assessment. Trinity TESOL and CELTA are almost universally accepted because the examining bodies have fairly strict criteria and the centres that offer the courses are subject to external moderation. Employers can be confident that someone with one of those certificates didn't just turn up and pay the fee to get the bit of paper.
I don't think anyone with half a brain would argue that having one of these certificates makes them a 'better' teacher than someone who doesn't, but like most trades there are certain hoops that you have to be able to jump through to satisfy employers - AND to satisfy the authorities who will issue the permit for you to get a work visa. It is true that the latter can be bribed to issue a permit for anyone, but bribes are expensive and employers won't want the extra cost of paying sweeteners if they can avoid it.
These days I'm not involved in recruitment but I used to be and if someone didn't have a TESOL or CELTA certificate then I would ask questions, but on its own it wouldn't be enough to reject the application. Checkable references and work history were far more important factors. |
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Dan The Chainsawman
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| Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| I think I'll just save up a bit more dosh and do the Celta in Vietnam. From the sounds of it the name alone will open a few more doors on arrival. |
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