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moneyoriented
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 76
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:56 am Post subject: Re: I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you |
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In my experience, if you are naive enough to depend on a US embassy to actually help you, especially in an emergency, you are likely to suffer a rude awakening...
When I was in Shiraz, Iran in '78 and '79 (my first overseas gig), I actually registered with the consulate there. When the "Islamic Revolution" started heating up, I tried calling the consulate - no answer. So, a group of us American teachers at the university who had also tried calling to no avail went over there. The consulate was locked up and deserted. All the staff had taken off for Tehran without so much as a "Good-bye and good luck" to any American citizens in Shiraz.
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OMG. That says it all. That confirms it.
Then there was that Richard Gere movie "Red Corner", about an American businessman who gets framed for murder by the Chinese government, and the US Embassy officials do MOD EDIT to help him... anyone see that one? |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Well, it's understandable why they sometimes can't intervene in some circumstances...they're supposed to be diplomats. But even here, that's where the diffference lies. The foot soldiers in the embassy more than likely are career diplomats, but the AMBASSADORS...more likely are political hacks and appointees. I mean, just look at how the U.S. government does it on the domestic front! Who was are first Secretary of Homeland "Security"? Tom Ridge, a Pennsylvania political hack! Many of them are monied campaign contributors. Now, on the other hand, most other countries use career diplomats for these most inportant of posts, not those interested in self promotion and making themselves oh so much more richer.
I think the thing that gets so stuck in my craw is the arrogance of it all!
Finally, the thing that I found so appalling in Riyadh, was the sucking up to those ladies who worked at the embassy (and I lived on compounds with MANY of them) as local hires. They had RAW POWER instilled in them just because they could put you on the list to go out there for some function and have a 'real' beer. If you sucked up to them and played oh so nicy nice, then you were in like Flynn, but if you just acted "normal"...for example, "I'm not better that you are and you're no better than me"...you can stay at home and drink your own brew. Can you guess which avenue I chose to take?
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Marcoregano

Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 872 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
| Can you guess which avenue I chose to take? |
OBN? (The Order of the Brown Nose). At least, I suspect that's what I'd have done in a beer desert.
The British Embassy is, from what I've heard, pretty bad, though I haven't had much in the way of personal involvement. I suspect a lot may depend on the particular consul in charge - this opinion is based on an excellent experience I had at the Brit Embassy in Seoul in 1998. One day, while working (teaching) in a far-flung part of the Korean peninsula I received an invite to a party in honour of the Queen's birthday. Initially I thought it was a joke, but it turned out to be the real deal.
I took my girlfriend along and we had a BALL. The party was in the grounds of the embassy, with a big marquee and guest chefs from the big hotels in Seoul doing 'traditional' British food. It was a lavish occasion with no expense spared. The food was top notch and the booze flowed freely. The consul even managed to get the US Army jazz band to perform and they were excellent too. One of my favourite memories is of the consul dancing like a wild man in his hallway and then trying to haggle the band into doing a second or third encore. All in all it was a great party with no bullshit attached. It was one of the few occasions I was kind of proud to be a Brit! |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| Marcoregano wrote: |
| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
| Can you guess which avenue I chose to take? |
OBN? (The Order of the Brown Nose). At least, I suspect that's what I'd have done in a beer desert. |
Oh, c'mon now! Can't you tell by the tone of my post??? I wouldn't even wander into their villas! Only under pressure of my wife, a non-American, who wanted to "fit in" did I ever venture onto the "social" part of the grounds.
Besides, I wuz a "honey-brewer" and, I wuz told, my product wuz indistinguishable from the genuine product.
Not my words...theirs.  |
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just_a_mirage
Joined: 11 Nov 2008 Posts: 169 Location: ecuador
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Shortly after I arrived in Ecuador, my passport was stolen on the bus. I went to the consulate to replace it. At the time, my Spanish wasnt so great. I went to the U.S. citizens section of the consulate, and to my surprise, the person at the counter couldn`t speak English. I knew enough Spanish to get my application submitted, but wondered what would happen to a tourist who needed help and didnt speak any Spanish at all. The other thing was that I was told to go pick up my new passport in eight days. When I arrived they told me they had forgotten to have me swear that my information was correct, so I had to swear to it then, and wait another eight days to get my passport. |
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Mike_2007
Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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I've had a few dealings with the British Embassy/Consulate over the last decade and I've always found them to be polite and efficient. When I got married in Turkey they were very useful and gave me a list of all the necessary documents which I got together and it all went through swimmingly (especially compared to the Turkish side of things!).
When I had my wallet pinched in Bucharest I informed them and they called me back within two hours and said I could collect my driving licence, which had been handed in. A day later they called me again to say another card had appeared.
When I had to renew my passport they were very good too and they were also quite helpful when I wanted to apply for a residence permit for Romania. Typcially, the Romanian office that issues the permits had no list of necessary documents whereas the British Embassy did (even though it's not really their business).
The consul in Istanbul was killed whilst I was there (bomb). By a stroke of luck (for me at least) I was due to visit the embassy at exactly the time the bomb went off, but had cancelled that morning for no particular reason except that I wasn't really in the mood. I've met the consul in Bucharest as he came and umpired a cricket match for us and lent me his tube of sun screen - good chap.
Obviously there are going to be good embassies and bad ones, but so far I haven't found a reason to be negative about them.
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ntropy

Joined: 11 Oct 2003 Posts: 671 Location: ghurba
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| My country hasn't even had embassies in two of the last three countries I've worked in. |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:56 am Post subject: |
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OK, my horror story. Perhaps arrogance is a prerequisite to work in the embassy (as opposed to a smaller consulate. .
Last summer went with my Chinese wife to Beijing to apply for a tourist visa. She has no use of her legs, can't walk, is in a wheelchairs, and has some othr problems. Anyone who has been to China, been on a train, imagine making this trip. No seat toilets, narrow doors .etc.
Well we enter into the Beijing building for Chinese applying for visas. As per U"S law, Americans with disabilites act, I have the right to accompany my wife inside, as her attendant, or whatever the term is. Big sign next to the door says this. The CHinese guards who work ther balked at first letting me in with my wife (normally, u can not go in with your wife), we showed them the rules at the door, a guard called his supervisor, said sorry, and let us in together. Very disappointing interview, she couldn't speak to an American worker, and the CHinese person who questioned her did not listen to anything she had to say, attitude of "I am from Beijing, you are form Henan" (think a Washington DC insider looking down on a cripple from Alabama, or a Whitehall rep looking down on a nonfavoured social group)
Interview ends, I help my wife to the bathroom for the disabled. The supervisor , Mr. Knoll, comes in the building screaming and swearing, really cursing, at the CHinese staff who let us in. I walk out of the bathroom, and he starts in on me, demanding who let me in, cursing at me. He finally settles down enough to listen to the CHinese guard explain that it is the law, I can accompany my disabled wife. Let's me go, no apology. I come back in the afternoon with my wife, their is an afternoon time for US citizens to speak directly with a rep. Guess what, now my wife is refused entry. We just settled that this is the law, and that is posted on the door.
DAmned SOB staff make me mad to be an American. What the Chinese workers there must think of us, and our big speech about protecting the rights of indviduals etc |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| ntropy wrote: |
| My country hasn't even had embassies in two of the last three countries I've worked in. |
If I may hazzard the guess from your photo that Canuckistan is your country, then I'll point out that Canadians can often get consular assistance at a British or Australian embassy when we don't have one of our own. |
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curioustraveler
Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 13 Location: United States
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: they are little help |
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When I was in Singapore I needed to get my US passport replaced. Big headache. The people were very rude. Not one American in the American embassy!!!
I think it is the person at the counter, and possibly the country. I haven't had enough experience dealing with the embassies around the world to say, but they are probably the same. |
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moneyoriented
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 76
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:48 am Post subject: Re: they are little help |
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Not one American in the American embassy!!!
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Yeah - I really hate that. When I go to my embassy in a foreign country, I want to speak to a compatriot, you know? Is that expecting too much?
Once I went to the US consulate in Tijuana, Mexico... I wanted to explore the city (more as a "traveller" rather than a "tourist"), but at the same time wanted a little knowledgeable advice about what to be careful of, etc. (Tijuana is quite a dangerous place).
But when I get there, I'm greeted by a local woman behind some glass. I ask politely if there is an American I could speak to, she says no. So now I'm in the position of possibly insulting this woman's nationalist sensibilities by asking this question. I decide to try it anyway. What's the answer I get?
"Oh, crime... you know, it's just like in the states - everywhere has some crime... there's nothing else I can tell you".
Great! Thanks for that!
(I mean, if anyone were to ask me about crime in a US city I was familiar with, I would gladly tell them "OK, these areas are safe, these areas you should avoid, this other area looks dodgy - a lot of panhandlers, but it's pretty safe", etc.) |
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