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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:26 am Post subject: Keep the E or drop it? |
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Livable or liveable?
Managable or manageable?
and a host of other examples...which do you prefer? |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| I prefer keeping the e, but I can't give you a reason. I think that it just looks better. |
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awest
Joined: 30 Jan 2009 Posts: 34 Location: DF
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I would have to agree that for me it's easier with the "e" and easier to explain. You raised a questions for me...which is the correct English spelling? |
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Guy Courchesne

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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I prefer to keep the e but was struggling for a reason as to why. Online dictionaries seem to accept both livable and liveable but not managable or knowledgable. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I usually consult a dictionary to see the most frequent usage or the American English usage. |
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lozwich
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| Online dictionaries seem to accept both livable and liveable but not managable or knowledgable. |
See, I think knowledgeable just looks weird. |
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Guy Courchesne

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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| The alternative is knowled-gable, which sounds like a Bushism to me. |
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Dragonlady

Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 720 Location: Chillinfernow, Canada
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Marcoregano

Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 872 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| Swan's 'Practical English Usage' explains the relevant rules in some detail - but a bit too much to go into here! |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| Dragonlady wrote: |
| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| ...Online dictionaries seem to accept both livable and liveable but not managable or knowledgable. |
Off the top of my head, is it because the 'e' is required after 'g' to produce the soft 'j' sound , where as without the 'e' the 'g' would be hard?
Compare 'rang' and 'range'. |
Sounds like a reasonable explanation to me.  |
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Marcoregano

Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 872 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| MO39 wrote: |
| Dragonlady wrote: |
| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| ...Online dictionaries seem to accept both livable and liveable but not managable or knowledgable. |
Off the top of my head, is it because the 'e' is required after 'g' to produce the soft 'j' sound , where as without the 'e' the 'g' would be hard?
Compare 'rang' and 'range'. |
Sounds like a reasonable explanation to me.  |
Sounds reasonable, but isn't the reason! (according to Swan). He says with words that end -ce or -ge, we do not drop the -e before a or o. Thus:
replace = replaceable and courage = courageous
But... charge = charging, face = facing.
Judg(e)ment and acknowledg(e)ment can be spelt with or without the e after g, (he says).
And there's more... |
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Dragonlady

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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:31 am Post subject: |
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Stephen Jones
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| You'll find it's a BrE/AmE difference. The Americans tend to drop the 'e', the Brits to keep it. |
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Laurence
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:54 am Post subject: |
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I thought this was going to be about disco biscuits  |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Disco biscuits Is this a BrE/Am/E difference or a generation-gap thing? I have no idea what you're talking about!  |
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