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Littlebird
Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 82 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: Grammar Question |
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Can anyone direct me to a good book or online resource which explains stress on certain syllables. I have a pre-course CELTA task and cannot understand where the stress is in certain words. Obviously some words are very easy to see where the stress is but some aren't. It would be useful to read up on this.
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Have you tried looking in a dictionary? |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:44 am Post subject: |
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Certain verbs and nouns have rules. Such as ADvice and adVISE. If you were more specific, we could probably help more. Sorry. |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:53 am Post subject: |
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naturegirl321 wrote: |
Certain verbs and nouns have rules. Such as ADvice and adVISE. |
I've always said advice, and my dictionary agrees with me. Maybe naturegirl speaks a different dialect of English than I do  |
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naturegirl321

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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:06 am Post subject: |
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No problem, naturegirl. I just didn't want the OP to get incorrect information about a topic that's can be confusing to teach. Thanks for the link . |
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BenE

Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 321
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: |
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for single words I tend to just refer to www.dictionary.com
for full sentences it's more a case of following the principles.
Not sure where you'll find them. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: |
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There's a useful book for teaching/learning pronunciation that includes a nice section on word (and sentence) stress.
Clear Speech - if you have access/time to get a copy, it's a good one. |
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Madame J
Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 239 Location: Oxford, United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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It might also be worth bearing in mind that British and American English use some different stress patterns, and so if you take any sources too literally then you may end up teaching different stresses to those you'd use in everyday conversation. The US "aDULT" versus the UK "Adult" and, likewise, "ADDress" versus "addRESS" are the main ones I've noticed people point out. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Also
stoodent vs shudent
twosday vs chewsday |
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father Mackenzie
Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Posts: 105 Location: Jakarta Barat
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Kaspar Hauser
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:32 am Post subject: |
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What's this got to do with grammar? |
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Littlebird
Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 82 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:48 pm Post subject: Stress on certain syllables |
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Thanks a lot everybody ! Only 2 sarastic responses ! Why do you have to be so sarcastic Glenski and Kaspar ??? A dictionary does not give sufficient information and often only indicates one stress not the secondary stress. AS I said some words are obvious some (to me) are not obvious at all.
Naturegirl are you sure you're not talking about differences in pronounciation not stress ? I cannot see the difference in stress in the two different examples you have given. I thought there was a difference only in pronounciation. There are similar differences in US/UK prounciation of tomato and tuna. A syllable is elongated. Does this change the stress ? I am starting to think I suffer from oral dyslexia.
while we are on the subject of US/UK differences, do you teach American or British English when abroad ? Should you correct words which are spelt the American way or just leave in ? I 'm thinking of words like center, theater, organization and so on. My natural instinct is to change to the UK spelling but then maybe people accept equally both ways of spelling. I hope this is not going to turn into a massive debate or argument.
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spiral78

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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Sam, the international standard is usually (in my experience) that so long as the student has consistently used either UK or North American spellings, and has not mixed them, it is ok. |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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And what's sarcastic about the dictionary suggestion- did you notice that standard syllable stress patterns (often with common variants) are in there? Very helpful- I definitely teach my students to use those.
And Kaspar is right- your question is legit, but it isn't grammar. Sorry.
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