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magelarocque



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you in need of a tutor? I'd be glad to provide you with a decent vocabulary since you seem to use words you fail to understand completely.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep it civil in this thread. Otherwise, there will be some consequences.

EDIT: One already sought to disregard the warning and has been shown the door.
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kazachka



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a terrible story. I'm really sorry you had to endure that. Thanks for sharing it though. The only way to really do your homework is to visit beforehand and talk to school staff as well as those intending to hire you. I did this because I was living here 3-4months out of the year anyways while I was working in Alaska. Not everyone can do this and it's tough to fully assess things from the other side of the pond.
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GleasonHome



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:32 am    Post subject: English First St Petersburg - CREF Moscow Reply with quote

Magelerocque, very good piece! I know what effort you devoted to describe English First St. Petersburg. My wife and I are extricating ourselves from a similar situation at CREF Moscow, which requires our full attention (as would extricating one for any group of dysfunctionals).

In a few weeks I can give full-attention to my notes. There are ways to give predators a crack in the teeth now and then.

Though we are different people in different situations (I am male, speak Russian, weigh 200+ pounds with decades of American football and English rugby printed on my face, and had my wife there to help sound out ideas), it was still very difficult.

The Russians? They are Russians and I defer to the professionals like Tatiana Tolstaya or Viktoria Tolkareva to point out their foibles. For readers who have problems with Russian mannerisms, so do the Russians.

The Ex-pats. Odd-bunch there. As a female I knew who once went to the edge of the English-speaking world (in this case, Alaska) to find a man, noted, �The odds are good, but the goods are odd.�

In any case, Knowledge is power, I will put together what worked for us in Russia-CIS, (in a few weeks) to somewhat even the knowledge balance. The foreign language schools are not all dysfunctional, and those that are need to have their business-model fail.
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kazachka



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL- I'm from Alaska and I would never EVER recommend it as a place to find a man!!! Alaska chicks do have the saying "the odds are good but the goods are odd." I suppose one could date in Anchorage as there are fewer -end-of -the-roaders there, but I spent(burnt) most of my 20s in Fairbanks and never in my LIFE have I seen so many men who just don't take care of themselves. It's disgusting to look at fat men with beards literally to their bellies Shocked I'm in the process of working out the details to returning to the Anchorage area and my former employer due to the economic collapse here, but no amount of love or $ would ever get me to voluntarily live in Fairbanks again. It's a social and cultural vacuum and not a place for a young liberal who still wants to have a life.

Back on topic- what is CREF? EF????
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:12 am    Post subject: CREF Moscow Reply with quote

Kazachka:

http://www.cref.ru/en/home/moscow It was founded to teach French and is/was attempting to also offer English. As I have time to make sense of my notes, I an sure I will find the basis of humorous English-American-French-Russian-Crazymaker (a nationality of thier own) misunderstandings.
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kazachka



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Courses of Russian at CREF: Since 13 years, many expatriates and companies trust in CREF for their learning Russian. Why not you?!


Well, first impressions do count and these guys could at least get an editor for their site. Perhaps we could use a refresher lesson on the use of for and since Shocked Seems I saw them advertised on expat several months back.
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maths nerd



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Have just noticed jobs advertised for CREF and am checking them out. Am too new to send a PM, but would be interested in receiving one, and email contact to reply.

I notice on other forums they get a good rating in terms of legitimate visas etc.. so would like to hear all sides. Esp. things like legal visa, prompt pay, hours as promised.
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canucktechie



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kazachka wrote:
Perhaps we could use a refresher lesson on the use of for and since Shocked

Also present simple versus present perfect. Very Happy
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kazachka



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hehe, time to bust out Round Up. It's one of my favorite grammar-cleaner-uppers Wink
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dav06012



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for this, it's really eye opening. More people should probably read this, because EF really does seem to be touting itself as the Holy Grail. It makes me a little bit sad though, because I was looking into the EF St. Pete school to teach at. I adore that city (I was a volunteer), and I'm looking for any way to get back. But that sounds like something I definitely don't wanna go through. I don't know what it is about Russia, or Russians, but we definitely had some extremely close calls, visa-wise, that scared the crap out of us. When we went to fly home for Christmas we had no idea whether we were going to be able to leave the country, because our passport visas had been stamped 'invalid' and our new paper-visas were not exactly legitimate looking, and had been torn crossing back from Finland. Still, great experience, and if anyone's looking for an amazing volunteer experience for college-aged kids, I'd totally recommend this program.
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waxwing



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:01 am    Post subject: Re: English First-A Cautionary Tale Reply with quote

magelarocque wrote:
On October 15th, 2008, ...

OK, I admit, I didn't read all of it. But it is a fascinating piece in its detail. I think it shows a number of things:

    Don't arrive for the first time in a foreign country and expect to start work the next day.
    If you are going to a genuinely foreign country, with a completely different language and little English spoken locally, prepare by learning a chunk of the language in advance. Survival skills.
    Don't try and "hit the ground running" in a country like Russia without a significant safety net of money. Or, if you do, accept that there will be significant difficulties, and note that those difficulties will affect those around you too.
    Do not assume, without careful research, that what is normal in your country is normal in the new country.

Look, Russia is not a great place to work as an English teacher, if we are looking at practicalities. Frankly, you were just naive, and it might seem to you that you were treated badly, but in most of the world the employer doesn't really owe the employee anything.

To be honest I have little or no sympathy for people who travel halfway across the world for a low-level job and then expect to be treated as "special". You have to be an adult and be prepared. After all they are paying you, it isn't a holiday.

Simple example: when I went to teach in Russia I did so with my eyes open, I spent 1 month working as a volunteer in Izhevsk to get acclimatised (not necessary but fun) and spent 3 months before leaving my home studying Russian 3 hours a day (also not necessary but highly recommended), and only then did I go and get a job. As a result my employers didn't have to constantly deal with crises when I arrived. I worked in EF too (but not St Pete, Stavropol) and I didn't have any of these problems, although things were far from perfect, and I can easily imagine having all kinds of things go wrong if I wasn't both flexible and prepared.

Was the OP treated badly? Perhaps. It's all relative to local norms.
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jpvanderwerf2001



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:10 am    Post subject: Re: English First-A Cautionary Tale Reply with quote

waxwing wrote:
magelarocque wrote:
On October 15th, 2008, ...

OK, I admit, I didn't read all of it. But it is a fascinating piece in its detail. I think it shows a number of things:

    Don't arrive for the first time in a foreign country and expect to start work the next day.
    If you are going to a genuinely foreign country, with a completely different language and little English spoken locally, prepare by learning a chunk of the language in advance. Survival skills.
    Don't try and "hit the ground running" in a country like Russia without a significant safety net of money. Or, if you do, accept that there will be significant difficulties, and note that those difficulties will affect those around you too.
    Do not assume, without careful research, that what is normal in your country is normal in the new country.

Look, Russia is not a great place to work as an English teacher, if we are looking at practicalities. Frankly, you were just naive, and it might seem to you that you were treated badly, but in most of the world the employer doesn't really owe the employee anything.

To be honest I have little or no sympathy for people who travel halfway across the world for a low-level job and then expect to be treated as "special". You have to be an adult and be prepared. After all they are paying you, it isn't a holiday.

Simple example: when I went to teach in Russia I did so with my eyes open, I spent 1 month working as a volunteer in Izhevsk to get acclimatised (not necessary but fun) and spent 3 months before leaving my home studying Russian 3 hours a day (also not necessary but highly recommended), and only then did I go and get a job. As a result my employers didn't have to constantly deal with crises when I arrived. I worked in EF too (but not St Pete, Stavropol) and I didn't have any of these problems, although things were far from perfect, and I can easily imagine having all kinds of things go wrong if I wasn't both flexible and prepared.

Was the OP treated badly? Perhaps. It's all relative to local norms.


Spot on. Very good post.
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midwest-magpie



Joined: 01 Jun 2010
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Location: Indiana

PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Appalling but unfortunately not so surprising...... Reply with quote

maruss wrote:
This particular firm is well-known for not caring about people and is too big and impersonal,apart from its lousy textbooks etc!Remember it is run by franchises and these can vary enormously.......I
As I have warned before,Russia is not just some Slavic version of western Europe and anything that might go wrong probably will so you have to be prepared for the worst..that includes always having enough funds to get you home and to survive on for a few weeks at least!In any case,with the way things are developing nowadays I wouldn't advise anyone to go and work there for the time being.



So I take it that English First is not a company I should work with. I was just offered a contract through them. Now I don't think I'll accept it.
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dav06012



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:18 am    Post subject: Re: Appalling but unfortunately not so surprising...... Reply with quote

midwest-magpie wrote:
maruss wrote:
This particular firm is well-known for not caring about people and is too big and impersonal,apart from its lousy textbooks etc!Remember it is run by franchises and these can vary enormously.......I
As I have warned before,Russia is not just some Slavic version of western Europe and anything that might go wrong probably will so you have to be prepared for the worst..that includes always having enough funds to get you home and to survive on for a few weeks at least!In any case,with the way things are developing nowadays I wouldn't advise anyone to go and work there for the time being.



So I take it that English First is not a company I should work with. I was just offered a contract through them. Now I don't think I'll accept it.


I haven't worked with EF, but I've been tempted to. It's really a matter of the management of the school you might work at. All schools are different. I would specifically look into the school you were offered a contract with.
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