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steki47



Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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Location: BFE Inaka

PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always correct my students when they use "to play" when they mean "to hang out". In my personal life, things are a bit different. "To play" sounds either childish or perverted. Being both a bit child and perverted, I say "to play" all the time. In English or Japanese. A personal joke that I keep to myself.
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elkarlo



Joined: 08 Dec 2008
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Location: Maryland

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steki47 wrote:
I always correct my students when they use "to play" when they mean "to hang out". In my personal life, things are a bit different. "To play" sounds either childish or perverted. Being both a bit child and perverted, I say "to play" all the time. In English or Japanese. A personal joke that I keep to myself.


Haha make sure you don't mess up and tell your gaijin friends to come over and play=)

But really who told the Japanese to say play? Seems like a cruel joke. Good thing you actually are correcting that.
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seklarwia



Joined: 20 Jan 2009
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Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elkarlo wrote:
steki47 wrote:
I always correct my students when they use "to play" when they mean "to hang out". In my personal life, things are a bit different. "To play" sounds either childish or perverted. Being both a bit child and perverted, I say "to play" all the time. In English or Japanese. A personal joke that I keep to myself.


Haha make sure you don't mess up and tell your gaijin friends to come over and play=)

But really who told the Japanese to say play? Seems like a cruel joke. Good thing you actually are correcting that.


And how is it that the whole of Eastern Asia has managed to make the same mistake. But how it has lead to some fun times. One of my Japanese female friends once introduced herself as my girl friend (not sure why she felt the need to state her gender there...) to some of my British male friends before announcing that we needed to be excused since I had promised to play with her that evening Shocked Of course they found it most hilarious. But when I explained why she shouldn't use "play" she then found it quite amusing to use it even more. Soon many of my friends were using play instead of hanging/going out. And some how most of my Chinese friends managed to make the same mistake. And don't get me started on how they all used "playboy" to describe a guy who liked to play jokes or have fun (the innocent kind).
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steki47



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are veering off the topic, but oh well. I have often heard Japanese say "girlfriend" when they mean "female friend", as in a friend who happens to be female. The mistaken implications are rather amusing, but I try to avoid any embarassing misunderstandings. Like when students ask, "Do you have a lot of girlfriends?". I reply, "Some of my friends are women, but I only have one girlfriend."
Feminine/feminist is another mistake I have heard with some amusing implications.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steki47 wrote:
We are veering off the topic, but oh well. I have often heard Japanese say "girlfriend" when they mean "female friend", as in a friend who happens to be female.
It's an ebonics thing.
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steki47



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
steki47 wrote:
We are veering off the topic, but oh well. I have often heard Japanese say "girlfriend" when they mean "female friend", as in a friend who happens to be female.
It's an ebonics thing.


Ahh, ebonics. As in, "You go, girlfriend!"? Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up. Very Happy
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JL



Joined: 26 Oct 2008
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Location: Las Vegas, NV USA

PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"You go, girlfriend!"

Actually, that's "You go, girl." Ever since Oprah started using it, it's become quite mainstream. In fact... I used it myself, on this very thread. http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=731189#731189
And trust me, I'm a very 'soul'-challenged, white boy.
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jonathanj



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been here for a few years, and can barely form a conversation. My excuse is that I don't have much time to study. I work full-time as a teacher, then in my spare time, I am at the gym or doing homework for my Masters is Accounting. I am studying, just not Japanese.
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JL



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonathanj wrote:
... doing homework for my Masters is Accounting.


The following is not thread-related, but...my wife happens to be going back to school to get her formal degree in accounting (she worked for 11 years as an accounts receivable manager for the Tokyo office of a major American firm). Can I take it that you're studying online with an overseas institution? If so, may I ask which one, and what you think of it? Thanks.
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uberscheisse



Joined: 15 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just passed JLPT4. i started studying 2 years, almost a year in country. have now learned nearly 1/3 of the kanji i need for JLPT3. am dating a lovely lady who speaks very little english, so we rely on japanese and it's an incentive.

worked with a guy up until he got fired for being a jerk to pretty much everyone around him. he's been here 3 years and knows how to say 2 things: "eh toh" and "so-so-so-so-so-so-so".

those kind of people annoy me. they learn 2 conversational placeholders and then use them while conversing with japanese people. it's like me being japanese, going to toronto for 3 years and only learning how to say "um".
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starteacher



Joined: 25 Feb 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The old adage is : It is not what you know or what you say, it is how you say it.

And that definitely applies more so to those who know the English Language too.

Never concerned if anyone does not speak Japanese or anything else.

Knowing a language does not make anyone wiser, it just makes one more aware.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

starteacher posted
Quote:
Knowing a language does not make anyone wiser, it just makes one more aware.


Well put.
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robertokun



Joined: 27 May 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On defeating Eigo Bandits, Language Leeches, whatever you want to call them (from a few pages back in the thread) :

If you speak another language besides English, use that on the drunk salaryman or whoever else awkwardly approaches you. The reaction you will get is priceless.

If you don�t speak another language, you could always try learing just enough of one and perfecting the pronunciation of a few phrases to try to make it work Wink
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GIR



Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been here about a year and a half now. My Japanese level is quite low. I can clumsily get simple points across, and usually follow the topic of a basic conversation. As for reading, I can read hiragana & katakana, and some kanji. I started studying with Japanese Pod 101 a few months before I came, but stopped once I got here.

I am interested in learning Japanese. I'm also interested in learning German, Italian, Chinese, how to play the guitar, how to oil paint, how to make green chile, how to ice sculpt, etc. In the end, it's hard to stay motivated for something without a payoff. For me, there isn't much payoff in learning Japanese. Learning katakana had a HUGE payoff. I can read a ton of things now, and it comes in useful all the time. But I rarely ever speak Japanese.

As for Eigo Bandits, I've never actually had this problem. Though I am wearing headphones about 99% of the time I'm outside of home or work, which I imagine makes me pretty unapproachable. What irks me is the people (always men or boys, actually) who toss a "Hi, how are you?" or "Nice to meet you." at me while they're walking by, just to demonstrate to me that they can speak English.
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Apsara



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GIR wrote:

I can read a ton of things now, and it comes in useful all the time. But I rarely ever speak Japanese.



I think you would find that if you could speak Japanese more fluently, and read kanji, you would also find that those skills would "come in useful all the time". Look how much being able to read katakana opened things up to you, and that is only the tip of the iceberg language-wise.

I can definitely say that the more Japanese I have been able to read and speak, the more interesting and fulfilling my life has become here. Not that you can't live an interesting and fulfilling life here if you don't speak/read Japanese, I just think that people who don't make the effort are missing out on various levels.
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