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		eddy-cool
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				As Eva correctly stated I was correct in reprinting the correct relevant passage RE Criminal background records.
 
 
I copied it from page 7 in the printed newsletter dated February 2009. 
 
 
It also has a rather good summary of what's needed for laowais to get legal residency permits or work visas. 
 
On page 3, it has a short intro to 'Individual Income Tax for Expatriates in China'. 
 
 
This newsletter really is packed with informative facts. | 
			 
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		rmcdougall
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:28 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| Is the criminal check coming to Shanghai?  I heard it's mandatory in Korea. | 
			 
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		Buck Lin
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:48 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| Having worked with people who I know were in trouble back home or in KOrea, I wonder why employers don't take the time to do this check. Maybe it is like the medical that you must do twice. Once so they don't waste their money and a second time for the government. So we once again have to pay out of our pocket to work in China. | 
			 
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		Mikeylikesit114
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:02 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| I have confirmation from my school's hr/fao that the background check is now required for new Z-visas. They are checking to see whether it is needed in order to renew residence permits. | 
			 
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		Buck Lin
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:10 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| Everything is redundant. How do you get a passport with a criminal record? So maybe China must start to check it's own people before giving them the legitamacy of leaving. This problem, if it is a problem, is being fueled  by foreign governments that are angered by Chinese criminals coming to their countries. Canada has a businessman that refuses to return to China and face litigation because he fears for his life. Canada does not repatriate people who could face the death penalty. Last week they gave him a work permit so he can work. Obviously he has not made that much money , he must now work in Canada. | 
			 
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		Mikeylikesit114
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:54 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| My school's hr/fao has checked with the psb, and says that the background check is needed for first-time z-visa's only. Residence permit renewal does not require a background check. | 
			 
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		El Macho
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:50 am    Post subject:  | 
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	  | Buck Lin wrote: | 
	 
	
	  | Everything is redundant. How do you get a passport with a criminal record? | 
	 
 
 I'm not aware of Western countries that will deny you a passport because you have a previous conviction. Which countries do that?
 
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	  | Canada has a businessman that refuses to return to China and face litigation because he fears for his life. Canada does not repatriate people who could face the death penalty. Last week they gave him a work permit so he can work. Obviously he has not made that much money , he must now work in Canada. | 
	 
 
Is his name Lai Changxing by any chance? If so, he was actually a prolific smuggler who finally ran afoul of the party. He has money problems b/c the Chinese were able to seize most of his assets. There's an interesting book about him: Inside the Red Mansion: On the trail of China's most wanted man. | 
			 
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		Angel46
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:03 am    Post subject: Criminal Record Check | 
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				As a CANADIAN, I really hope this new requirement is restricted to first-time Work Visa applicants.  
 
In Canada, one must apply "in-person" for a Criminal Record Check, and then MAILED to you!  
 
 
But, we have to get it stamped by the Chinese Embassy/Consulate before returning to China!  
 
How can we book our return flights when we don't know how long this process might take?  
 
Canada Post is often referred to as "snail mail".  
 
I'd like to pick my CRC up in person, but who knows if that would be possible?  
 
 
I have lived here in China for the past 5 years.  To be honest, any crimes I commit would have to be here, right?! | 
			 
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		Buck Lin
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:25 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| Angel you don't get a passport in Canada with a criminal record. Maybe in China where gifts are the normal. It is knee jerk response to criticism China has recieved for sending their criminals abroad. So China sends ten abroad and two return. What is the rate for people coming from abroad and staying in China? They need to think about this and the GENI coefficient. | 
			 
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		eddy-cool
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Criminal Record Check | 
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	  | Angel46 wrote: | 
	 
	
	  
 
 
I have lived here in China for the past 5 years.  To be honest, any crimes I commit would have to be here, right?! | 
	 
 
 
 
I once applied for, and received, a criminal background cert from the Hong Kong police.
 
 
I am sure you can get the same from the PSB in the Mainland though, of course, you can only apply if they have kept records on you... | 
			 
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		evaforsure
 
  
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				 Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:30 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| I had to get one from Dalian before I could take my job in Beijing. I had never registered and had no RP when I ask the Dalian PBS to complete a letter (criminal check).  I had worked most of the time in Dalian with a FEB from another city as Dalian had run out of books....they eventually had to go to ShenYang for the paperwork, so it is unlikely that they even had a file or what ever...the whole time I was ther I never even went to the PSB... no RP and never had anyone ask for one...didnt even think they were important til I got to  Beijing and then they left the closing date on the RP card blank and I didnt go back til this year when I changd apartments.. but now they told me they can only do one year at a time... | 
			 
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		bearcanada
 
  
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				 Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:02 am    Post subject:  | 
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				There is so much poor, incomplete, or just plain wrong, information on this board.
 
 
Buck Lin wrote that one cannot get a Canadian passport if he or she has a criminal record.  That is untrue.  Canada does examine a person's criminal record when a passport application is received, but only in rare cases will they actually refuse to issue a passport (or will revoke one that has already been issued).
 
 
These circumstances normally apply to indictable offenses (which generally mean jail time), and normally only to the most serious of those: slave trading, crimes against humanity, organised crime activities, heavy drug trafficking, and things like that.  And they examine each case individually; you have to be pretty bad to have a passport denied.
 
 
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