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coledavis



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

re lack of recruitment, I don't agree with Maruss. See my recent comment on the thread asking for advice on finding work in Russia now. There are Russian companies offering reasonable (for Russia) jobs now and offering visa support. They're just in the habit of paying for advertisements.
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maruss



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:12 pm    Post subject: How can we define 'reasonable??' Reply with quote

If you go to Moscow,reckon on paying at least 900-1000 $ per month for a basic appartment,plus a month as a deposit and maybe an agents fee on top,unless your employer will arrange to rent one for you and then deduct it from your salary.Assuming they give you enough hours to make a total of around $2000 per month,you will just about get by,unless you have the time and energy-and the luck,which is becoming quite short nowadays, to pick up extra private students.
Go outside Moscow and its another ball-game altogether-wages are much lower, but although the cost of food etc. is also less, you will still only make enough to get by on and probably have far fewer chances to supplement your income.In the not unlikely event of problems with your employer,you will definitely be at a disadvantage.I'm not saying that it can't be done,or that nobody should try but I think it's only for the experienced who know the set-up in Russia and what to expect etc.
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canucktechie



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Go outside Moscow and its another ball-game altogether-wages are much lower, but although the cost of food etc. is also less

Food is not cheaper outside of Moscow. Nor is other shopping.

Rents however are way cheaper, except for St. Pete and a few other places.
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If you go to Moscow,reckon on paying at least 900-1000 $ per month for a basic appartment

Dollar rents in Moscow are falling. For example:

Сдам в аренду однокомнатную квартиру, расположенную в 6 минутах ходьбы от м. "Водный стадион", на ул. Фестивальной. Качественный ремонт с евроотделкой, расположена на 5 этаже. Вся бытовая техника: телевизор, холодильник, телефон, стир. машина. Мебель и импортная сантехника-2006г. Металлическая дверь. Чистый подъезд, домофон, консъерж. Общая площадь квартиры-35м2. Подведен интернет. Сдается на длительный срок, срочно. Цена аренды-611 у. е. Договора с фиксированной ценой аренды на весь срок действия. Анжелика Анатольевна 8-926-422-92-92

http://www.kvartir.ru/?obj_id=1049304

Still I agree, you have to make at least $2000/month in Moscow just to get by.
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expatella_girl



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

canucktechie wrote:
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Цена аренды-611 у. е.


Shocked Oh no, not the y.e.

That rent prices are being quoted in an imaginary currency is a very very bad sign indeed.

I remember when we first moved to Russia and one often found things priced in y.e. There was no way of knowing how many rubles might equal a y.e. in any given circumstance. It might be one thing in the supermarket, another in a restaurant--each business seemed to make up its own ruble equivalent. It was crazy and terrible. You never knew what you were going to pay for anything. After a couple of years the y.e. disappeared and I never saw it again.

The return of the y.e. is not a portent of good times ahead.
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jpvanderwerf2001



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

canucktechie wrote:
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Go outside Moscow and its another ball-game altogether-wages are much lower, but although the cost of food etc. is also less

Food is not cheaper outside of Moscow. Nor is other shopping.

Rents however are way cheaper, except for St. Pete and a few other places.
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If you go to Moscow,reckon on paying at least 900-1000 $ per month for a basic appartment

Dollar rents in Moscow are falling. For example:

Сдам в аренду однокомнатную квартиру, расположенную в 6 минутах ходьбы от м. "Водный стадион", на ул. Фестивальной. Качественный ремонт с евроотделкой, расположена на 5 этаже. Вся бытовая техника: телевизор, холодильник, телефон, стир. машина. Мебель и импортная сантехника-2006г. Металлическая дверь. Чистый подъезд, домофон, консъерж. Общая площадь квартиры-35м2. Подведен интернет. Сдается на длительный срок, срочно. Цена аренды-611 у. е. Договора с фиксированной ценой аренды на весь срок действия. Анжелика Анатольевна 8-926-422-92-92

http://www.kvartir.ru/?obj_id=1049304

Still I agree, you have to make at least $2000/month in Moscow just to get by.


I've always wondered: What does 'y.e' even mean? Is that euro...dollars? I've just asked two Russian colleagues and they have no idea. I've never bought anything with that price so I simply don't know. (To be honest, I always thought it mean euros Embarassed .)

Rents here are cheaper only relative to dollars, as the dollar is destroying the ruble. So, if you've got bucks, you can get a flat near the center for about 17-20K rubles. It's stayed pretty steadily around that number for nearly four years.

Food and everything else is probably as expensive as Moscow, or even more so.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

y.e. = 'standard unit" ,uslovnye yedenitsy. Originally pegged to the dollar, not the euro. But who knows now?
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expatella_girl



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
y.e. = 'standard unit" ,uslovnye yedenitsy. Originally pegged to the dollar, not the euro. But who knows now?


Nobody knew before either. Like I said, the y.e. was an ethereal conversion without any proper standard. Each business just seemed to make up its own. It was horrible and I was really really happy when pretty suddenly, the y.e. seemed to disappear and everything was priced in rubles.

I think this is certainly a sign of real currency instability in Russia. This is not good at all.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too true. Time to get rid of what remaining rubles you have. Y.E. always reminded me of travel agents' exchange rates here - always way over the odds of the actually conversion rate of the day.
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canucktechie



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

expatella_girl wrote:

The return of the y.e. is not a portent of good times ahead.

Yes, I think if oil prices don't pick up soon it's back to the 90's for Russia.
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coledavis



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: How can we define 'reasonable??' Reply with quote

[quote="maruss"]Go outside Moscow and its another ball-game altogether-wages are much lower, but although the cost of food etc. is also less, you will still only make enough to get by on and probably have far fewer chances to supplement your income.[quote]
Not necessarily. You might not live like a king, but if you are given free accommodation, which is not that unusual, then your salary will be ok. If you don't expect to eat out every night. As for problems, well that goes with the territory when you're out on your own; either you want the adventure or you don't!
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kazachka



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canucktechie wrote:
expatella_girl wrote:

The return of the y.e. is not a portent of good times ahead.

Yes, I think if oil prices don't pick up soon it's back to the 90's for Russia.


Couldn't agree more...
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BELS



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is BKC not owned by company House registered in the UK. And if so should they not abide by the employment laws of the UK in regards to British citizens? They could start by giving at least the national minimum wage of which toilet cleaners and road sweepers are given.

Accomadation is not included as part of income, as this is a necessity as part of the job.

In fact road sweepers get above the national minimum. No employer would lower themselves to offer the national minimum rate.
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coledavis



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Bels, but with the exception of American airbases in other countries, everybody has to abide by local laws not their own. Indeed, it is thanks to Russian laws that native English speakers get free accommodation; left to British legislation, you'd be renting your flat and merely hoping that the salary left over is enough to feed you. I think people just need to look at what the salary is and decide if they are happy with the likely living they are going to get. If you're not extravagant, then five hundred dollars will mean that you'll eat and occasionally have money for other things. More than that and I think you're doing ok. Re the question about extra work: I think you can get additional work if you want it in Siberia, although this should be from people you meet outside of your workplace, as employers will understandably get upset if you make money from their leads without getting a cut. Note however that you won't be making a lot as most people can't afford it. Which brings me back to Bels' point about the minimum wage; a native speaker's wage isn't much, but it is more than a Russian teacher usually gets. Also, I don't quite understand why some people expect to get UK wages when they're elsewhere.
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canucktechie



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BELS wrote:
Is BKC not owned by company House registered in the UK..

No it's not, it's owned by Russians. You are probably thinking of International House, which is in fact British. But IH is just a franchise like McDonald's. You don't think the employees of McD's in Russia are governed by US law do you?
coledavis wrote:
Sorry Bels, but with the exception of American airbases in other countries, everybody has to abide by local laws not their own.

Not just American, for example the British in Cyprus.

Anyway you forgot embassies, which are governed by their home laws everywhere.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coledavis wrote:
Indeed, it is thanks to Russian laws that native English speakers get free accommodation;


Eh? What's this law? Are you sure it is Russian legislation that makes schools provide flats? Given that the school owners blithely ignore so many other regulations and employment laws? e.g. how many of you have a record of the health/insurance/pension/tax payments your employershould be paying for you?
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