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Cancelled Foreign Expert Certificate (FEC)
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I broke my contract and my FEC was cancelled. I returned to my home country. Can I return to China with a new Z-Visa and get work in another province or am I banned from working in China again?
Can get FEC in another province.
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 88%  [ 15 ]
Cannot get FEC in another province.
11%
 11%  [ 2 ]
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xiao51



Joined: 06 Feb 2009
Posts: 208

PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:25 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

And the best of luck to you for sure.

And it might be a good notice that this Board can really serve up tremendous amounts of misinformation at times....nationwide blacklist, etc., etc., never get another permit, etc. That kind of serious misinformation serves no one well at all.
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Teatime of Soul



Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is indeed a national blacklist. I'd be surprised at any country that didn't have one.

But, that blacklist is not designed to be used as tool for punishing former employees, and doing a midnight runner doesn't rise to the threshold.

The fast track to ending up on the blacklist involve accusations of very serious misconduct, examples:, major theft/fraud, sexual assault, and spying are what I am told are the type of things that lands one on the list.

There are Province level blacklists too. But they have a lower threshold and an ex-employer, with sufficient pull, can have an ex-employee added to that.

Most employers are simply not inclined to go through the effort for a teacher who simply took off. But that depends upon the situation, guanxie, and personalities involved too.
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evaforsure



Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are Province level blacklists too. But they have a lower threshold and an ex-employer, with sufficient pull, can have an ex-employee added to that.


Who would maintain this blacklist and what kind of offense would you have to actually be oplaced on it.. does the action have to be a court offense.. and if not then what kind of offenses would be incl...there may infact be a list, but it seems that it is not of any real importance as many FTs act the fool and are often just excused for their behavior and man, I have seen FTs do some crazy stuff only to be in the same area for years...apparently the black list just isnt black enough ...
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Buck Lin



Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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Location: nanchang china

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evarorsure it is the most serious of offences. The students complained that the teacher was too fat. Or the teacher only talked with the girls. Or the teacher only talked with the boys. Or the teacher talked of Taiwan or Tibet or Tienamen. The teacher was ugly and had a bad odor coming from their feet. These things are important in modern China. Students rule here.
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xiao51



Joined: 06 Feb 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:03 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

Buck Lin wrote:
Evarorsure it is the most serious of offences. The students complained that the teacher was too fat. Or the teacher only talked with the girls. Or the teacher only talked with the boys. Or the teacher talked of Taiwan or Tibet or Tienamen. The teacher was ugly and had a bad odor coming from their feet. These things are important in modern China. Students rule here.


This has not been my direct experience at all. I worked with a gentleman in another province who gave the Taiwan speech in rather strong terms. He was almost immediately discharged from the university, taken to the airport one day later and was going to be chucked out of the country. He was told that he would never work again in China, the blacklist stuff, etc. etc. His connecting flight out of China was through Beijing. Upon arrival in Beijing, he didn't make the connection, went to the stay with friends, found a job, the school in Beijing, a legitimate one, arranged the paperwork, and he is still in Beijing to this day, to the tune of about RMB 18,000 per month, quite a bump up from the miserable university pitance that he was making. I spoke with him before, after and during this "crisis".

There is a tremenduous amount of misinformation that continues to circulate around this Board, tremenduous.
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suanlatudousi



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xiao51 wrote:
This has not been my direct experience at all. I worked with a gentleman in another province...

I worked with...

My friend...

I know someone...

I heard of someone...
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Buck Lin



Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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Location: nanchang china

PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we are forced in China to not name names or places. As an ex member who I can not name said, " We deal in obfuscations here" What we deal in is paranoia. So this is the most dangerous place here to talk freely because they can trace the posting and send you to Beijing where you will be free to express yourself. Sure Suanlatudousi!
I myself will continue to avoid politics with my students and keep everything at a game level. I will never expose my students anything that does not come from the China Post or official Beijing literature.
So Taiwan is part of China and China is part of Taiwan. Just a reason to give jobs to the military and people to build all the necessities of war. There is no problem here or in Taiwan. Obfuscations for saber raddling. I have been in Taiwan numerous times and found many mainlanders and I have run into thousands and thousands of Taiwanese here on the mainland. What is there to say?
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inchinanow



Joined: 03 Feb 2008
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Location: China

PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 12:48 am    Post subject: UPDATE Reply with quote

Update:

I return to Shenyang to visit my friends without any problem. Even though my old school canceled my FEC in Shenyang last year and they told me I could not work in China again, I had no problem getting approved to work in Beijing.

I also met someone with SAFEA that said she might be able to get me another FEC in Liaoning if I want it.

So don't let a school bully and intimidate you. You can change your job in China if you hate it!

inchinanow
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