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johnslat · Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject:

Dear Chancellor,
I see. So if there's nothing in the Constitution that allows it, it's forbidden.
And that, of course, would mean the so many other things, such as Social Security, income tax, the FDA, the FAA, the FCC, Dept of Education, Department of Agriculture, etc., are also all unconstitutional.
I guess we'll need a fairly drastic and thorough overhaul of the Federal Government in order to comply with your interpretation of the Constitution.
Regards,
John

Chancellor · Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject:

johnslat · Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:52 pm Post subject:

Dear Chancellor,

"Or we can follow the processes specifically identified in the Constitution and either amend the august document or replace it with a new one."

I very much doubt we will see either course adopted in the foreseeable future. And, seeing as so much of the federal government is, by your interpretation, already unconstitutional, I don't suppose adding the unconstitutional (by your view) decent health care to the already extremely long list will be too significant.

Regards,
John

Never Ceased To Be Amazed · Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:41 pm Post subject:

Or the several state governments could use their "reserved powers" and the feds can fund the several states to treat their denizens like humans. But, God forbid making affordable health care possible! Let's just keep shoveling it into Wall Street...or to the bozos who bought the six-bedroom with an ARM instead of the two-bedroom that was just beyond their means! Give us a break!

Do people out there still think that this failure just "happened"? Sure, just like when the stimulus checks started to arrive just as people were about to travel across America on their annual holidays! I'm not a "grassy knoll proponent", but a h*ll of a lot of coincidences had to coincide for the mess the US finds itself in.

But, then again, we can listen to the Cheney interview on CNN a few days ago and dream ourselves into the notion that this didn't start in the states, but rather...it's a would-wide phenomenon! Evil or Very Mad

NCTBA

Chancellor · Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject:

spiral78 · Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash

Interesting...I've lived in at least two modern, first-world countries which encourage and support the individual, but offer nationalized health care (the Netherlands and Canada).

I don't see any serious negative impact. I paid higher taxes in the States, as a self-employed entrepreneur, NOT including health care costs. My national+state income taxes equalled 58%.

I pay 30% in Netherlands, and paid about 42% in Canada.

Health care should fall under the category of public goods (like national defence and police services, and infrastructure). It works, and does not discourage individual endeavor - or research - at all. The health care services in both countries are cutting-edge.

spiral78 · Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash

Just found this on today's cnn website:

Traveling abroad for health care is a phenomenon known as medical tourism. Many do it to save money or to get medical care not approved in the United States. Internationally recognized hospitals in Thailand and Singapore can often perform orthopedic and heart procedures at a fraction of the cost. Mexico is a popular choice for dental care.

The estimated number of Americans seeking treatment overseas annually varies widely, but starts at a half-million people.

Must be a problem in the US system somewhere Shocked