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Justin Trullinger
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Exactly- it's a place to start.
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spiral78
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KoreaLifer
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The TEFL industry is becoming a much more professional one. Gone are the days when a native-speaker with no teaching experience could just backpack his way across a continent and pay his way by teaching English. Countries and private schools are (rightly) starting to demand that teachers actually be qualified to teach. I suspect that the time will come when the qualifications for TEFL will be the same as the qualifications for TESOL in American, Canadian or British public schools. |
I'm sure many organizations selling TEFL courses would like to believe this, but sadly, I can say that it's far from the truth. South Korea is as desperate to hire teachers as ever. I'd estimate that 90 percent of schools couldn't tell the difference between a CELTA and a $150 course from ITTT. You certainly don't need a TEFL certification to get a job here in Korea. |
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JZer
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Location: Pittsburgh
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I suspect that the time will come when the qualifications for TEFL will be the same as the qualifications for TESOL in American, Canadian or British public schools. |
The only way that will happen is if the economies of England, US, and Canada really are in trouble. I doubt many people would spend the time and money to get a teacher's license to teach in a language school. Some private language schools don't offer paid vacation. |
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Chancellor
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Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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| I suspect that the time will come when the qualifications for TEFL will be the same as the qualifications for TESOL in American, Canadian or British public schools. |
The only way that will happen is if the economies of England, US, and Canada really are in trouble. |
They are. Though I can also see it happening as other countries start thinking better of themselves and decide that they're not going to settle for first-world leftovers.
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| I doubt many people would spend the time and money to get a teacher's license to teach in a language school. Some private language schools don't offer paid vacation. |
I suspect that many of these private language schools will either close their doors or they'll decide they want to be elevated to the level of universities (and in economic hard times when there are more people looking for work, they can be much more selective). |
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JZer
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| They are. Though I can also see it happening as other countries start thinking better of themselves and decide that they're not going to settle for first-world leftovers. |
Since it would probably be of marginal value I doubt that will happen. Since the amount of input time that students actually listen to English in class is inadequate they will not become very fluent no matter whether the teacher is good or bad.
I doubt that most serious language learners would say that a good or bad teacher makes a difference in the long run. It is natural talent and what you do outside of the classroom that makes the difference. |
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JZer
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| I suspect that many of these private language schools will either close their doors or they'll decide they want to be elevated to the level of universities (and in economic hard times when there are more people looking for work, they can be much more selective). |
I believe there are still more EFL jobs available than people willing to do them. While many people will tell that it is difficult to find a good job, there are still many jobs. If one country requires qualifications equivalent to a trained teacher people will just move on to other countries. |
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JZer
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| I suspect that the time will come when the qualifications for TEFL will be the same as the qualifications for TESOL in American, Canadian or British public schools. |
Just having a B.A. to teach in a language center seems to be a standard practice around the world. That is not just for teaching English abroad but for people wanting to teach Spanish, German, Japanese, Chinese, etc.
For this job one only needs a B.A. in Japanese. No training in teaching is necessary.
http://www.e.kobyinternational.com/index_files/japaneseteacher.htm |
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JZer
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http://www.prolog-berlin.com/en/jobs.htm
This language school in Berlin just wants a:
Initial teacher training certificate (IHC, CELTA, Trinity CertTESOL or equivalent with:
� 120-130 contact hours
� 6-8 observed teaching sessions
From their website I think they would accept someone without a B.A. if you already have a work permit to work in Berlin. |
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JZer
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Swedish teacher at the same school: All that is required is a university degree. The point of my posting is to demonstrate that for those who think that people just give untrained English teachers a job due to their native language, that is not true. I believe that it is standard practice to hire language school instructors with a university degree even if they have not been trained to teach.
Orginal post and translation:
Wir suchen(We are looking for): Schwedischlehrer/innen(Swedish teacher)
Qualifikationen: Universit�tsabschluss (Degree)
Erfahrung: � Mindestens 6 Monate Unterrichtserfahrung at least 6 months teaching experience
(mindestens 200 Unterrichtsstunden) at least 200 hours of experience
� Erfahrung mit verschiedenen Niveaus(Experience teaching different courses)
Gew�nscht
sind auch: � Arbeitserlaubnis und Aufenthaltserlaubnis(work permit and residence permit)
� Wohnsitz in Berlin (Berlin)
� Erfahrung mit Einzelunterricht (Experience teaching individual classes)
Termin: ab sofort(begins immediately)
Kontakt: [email protected] |
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