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khmerhit
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| SCHISMATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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khmerhit
Joined: 31 May 2003
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| For the first two-thirds of the Hundred Years' War the popes resided in the French town of Avignon, rather than Rome. This came about because of a dispute between the Colonna and Orsini families in Rome. These families had, for some time, tended to monopolize the papacy, since most of the dozen or so cardinals who could vote for pope were Italian, and they resided in Rome, where they were subject to "influence.". In 1294, to break a deadlock between the families, a pious monk unconnected with either clan was elected. Pope Celestine was completely out of his depth and soon abdicated. The pope that followed, Boniface VIII (1294-1303) was neither a Colonna or an Orsini, albeit an Italian. He alienated both great families, and also got into a dispute with Philip IV (who was always short) over Church taxation in France. When Boniface died, the Orsini helped Philip secure the election of a Frenchman as pope. Benedict XI (1303-1304) appointed a bunch of French cardinals, but was unable to set up shop in Rome because of the angry (and powerful) Colonna family and other equally agitated Romans. Philip IV, saw his chance and offered the Pope shelter at Avignon, in Arles, more or less a dependency of France. This initated a series of seven French popes who reigned from Avignon, and who generally favored France. Finally, in 1377, for various reasons, another French pope. Gregory XI (1370-1378). moved back to Rome. Since the "captivity" of the popes at Avignon lasted approixmately the same amount of time as the exile of the Jews in Babylon, the phrase "Babylonian Captivity" came into fashion to describe the interlude. Shortly after the papacy returned to Rome the Great Schism began. |
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khmerhit
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OK, you can be Avignon, John.
Yours most graciously
khmerhit II
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| The Great Schism began shortly after Gregory XI returned the Papacy to Rome in 1377, after its "Babylonian Captivity. " Gregory died within a year. The subsequent papal election was conducted under considerable "pressure" for the election of an Italian pope by the Roman baronial families and rabble. The cardinals took the hint, and elected Urban VI (1378-1389), and Italian from Itri . But as soon as the election was over, some of the French cardinals reconvened at Avignon, declared Urban's election void, and elected another pope, Clement VII (1378-1394), a Frenchman. Thus began the Great Schism, as two lines of popes continued to succeed each other, one based at Rome and the other at Avignon, each appointing cardinals. The kings of Europe soon began choosing among the popes, based on their political objectives (England favored the Roman line, France the Avignon one). The whole affair casued a scandal throughout Christendom (and the Muslims even got in some jokes about it). An attempt to resolve the problem through a church council only resulted in the election of a third pope. In the end the whole business was resolved when the fortuitous concidence of the death of one pope and the resignation of another allowed their cardinals to convene together to elect Martin V (1417-1431): the third line of popes had never attracted much support, and was ignored. Martin, a Colonna , proved a very able pope, and a dedicated reformer, but the prestige of the papacy had been seriously injured, helping to pave the way for Protestantism, which is another story. |
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struelle
Joined: 16 May 2003
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Location: Shanghai
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[quote="thelmadatter"]Even more depressing that I cant copy onto this thing.
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You're North Korea!
Look out! You're absolutely wacko. Completely insane. There's no telling what you're going to do, and it could make you a danger to yourself and others. |
How many countries do they have on their list? I had no idea this was one of the choices! I'll fess up. I took the quiz more than once because the first result shocked me: Iraq.
After changing a few answers, other countries came up: Palestine, Singapore, and India.
But to be perfectly honest, I must go with my first choice So, here it is:
You're Iraq!
An outcast from all you meet, you have very few friends who haven't later backstabbed you in some way or another. And you've made your share of mistakes... a little torture, a little coercion, a little stealing, it was all part of a day's work. It's hard to say if it deserves the kind of treatment you're getting now, though. When people look for someone to point to with a worse life than they have, they think of you first.
Steve |
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rossiter joe
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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Location: Gunma, Japan
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| I am Brazil. Brazil is computer illiterate and can not paste my description or flag onto this website. |
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Newfoundland
Joined: 14 May 2003
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Location: Shanghai
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I'm Cuba. And all i can pictuer is Castro and I sitting back with a big fat cigar watching the people who didnt quite make it to the US get executed.
The book "You're Prufrock and Other Observations!"
by T.S. Eliot
Though you are very short and often overshadowed, your voice is poetic and lyrical. Dark and brooding, you see the world as a hopeless effort of people trying to impress other people. Though you make reference to almost everything, you've really heard enough about Michelangelo. You measure out your life with coffee spoons. |
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johnslat
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
Posts: 13859
Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:14 am Post subject: Playing for high stakes |
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Dear khmerhit,
"OK, you can be Avignon, John.
Yours most graciously
khmerhit II"
khmerhit II??!! Uh, just when was khmerhit I Il Papa? Could have been back in the 70s, I suppose. Can't really recall much of that decade.
But back to business. Expect my agents of the Inquisition to come calling soon. There a lot at stake here, so to speak.
Pope John (the one, the only - accept no substitutes) |
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