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GF

Joined: 08 Jun 2003
Posts: 238
Location: Tallinn

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject:

jonniboy wrote:

GF wrote:

There are only two language schools that hire foreigners in Tallinn

ILS and International House? There must be more than that surely? There are at least six in Riga.

GF wrote:

private students are an endangered species. The crisis has hit hard here.

Here too the crisis has hit hard but the privates market has been surprisingly buoyant. I've been full all year. More people want to leave / change jobs / find new jobs / do IELTS etc.

There are plenty of language schools, but all but two hire only locals (who are cheaper and often as good as native speakers).

Privates are tough because again the locals are cheaper to hire and can be just as good. Luckily, I don't depend on this at all. Any privates I get are just party money.

rusmeister

Joined: 15 Jun 2006
Posts: 867
Location: Russia

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:01 am Post subject:

opex wrote:

rusmeister wrote:

I'll bet the FSB would be curious about that. Certainly your motives are questionable. Why don't you just say what you really want and apply for a visa that is appropriate to that? (Unless it is something dishonest and immoral, in which case, worst of luck to you...)
Or else this is just trolling...

Hahaha. You are a funny guy/gal rusmeister, aren't you? What do you know about FSB that I who was born in Russia don�t know and what is so questionable about my motives?
I am entitled to Russian temporary residency without quota. The processing of my application will take at least 6 months. I can stay in Russia without leaving the country for that long only on work or student visa. I have a TESL certificate and I want to use it to get work visa as a volunteer. Does it make me dishonest and immoral or a troll?

What one can do does not make one dishonest or immoral. It is what they do do, and the thing that leads to that is what they want to do.

So,,,what motivates you to go work in a hardship country for free? WHY do you want to do it? (and what you are eligible for is irrelevant here)

opex

Joined: 26 Mar 2009
Posts: 12

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:59 am Post subject:

rusmeister wrote:

rusmeister, ты можешь называть себя обрусевшим американцем до умопомрачения, России ты не знал, не знаешь и знать никогда не будешь. Иди, лечи тех на этом форуме, которое приезжают в Россию по деловой визе и незаконно преподают за наличные и учат частных студентов нелегально. Или ты сам один из них? В таком случае посмотри в зеркало на бесчестного и аморального типа. Вам гнилым непонятно, как это кто-то может приехать в Россию и работать волонтером пока ждет разрешения на временное проживание и разрешение на работу, которое позволит работать где угодно и сколько угодно, после чего можно будет получить вид на жительство, что равносильно вашей зеленой карте. Тобой, кстати, ЦРУ не интересуется за такое длительное пребывание в России?

rusmeister

Joined: 15 Jun 2006
Posts: 867
Location: Russia

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject:

opex wrote:

rusmeister wrote:

Hi Opex,
I'm sure they do and I couldn't care less. If they (both the CIA and FSB) haven't figured out who I am and what I stand for by now, then we're probably all doomed.
I'm legal, have legal work, am a permanent resident, and am doing all right. I don't make much money, but I don't work for free either. I have three children, one on the way, a wife and 2 elderly in-laws to support. No hidden motives here.

I probably deserve your emotional response. I was a little too straight-forward and inconsiderate, and apologize for the trolling comment. But it is not accurate to say that I do not know (anything about) Russia.

Still, what I find interesting is your consistent evasion of motive - WHY do you dream of working in Russia for free? What do you want a visa for that is wholly inconsistent with what you state you want and don't want? Maybe you are a charitable person with lots of money and the desire to help others for nothing - but why don't you come out and say so, if that's the case, and how you came to be that way? It's just that anybody would find the facts, as you have stated them, rather odd and even suspicious. (If you do have good motives, it would help you to present them.)

BELS

Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 402
Location: Moscow

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject:

GF wrote:

jonniboy wrote:

GF wrote:

There are only two language schools that hire foreigners in Tallinn

ILS and International House? There must be more than that surely? There are at least six in Riga.

GF wrote:

private students are an endangered species. The crisis has hit hard here.

Here too the crisis has hit hard but the privates market has been surprisingly buoyant. I've been full all year. More people want to leave / change jobs / find new jobs / do IELTS etc.

The locals are cheaper????? I don't believe that, otherwise why bother being a teacher. Why not use your talents in being a translator or interpretor, or working for an international company. Why would you be here if the income is crap! No Russians need a good income because the inflation is much higher than Britain for example. Your bare necessities such as food, rent, and the cost is much more, with much lower quality!

Sorry! I don't believe Russians are cheaper than native speakers. But they do have a tough time competing with native English teachers, especially when they discover that the local customers know that native English teachers are producing greater results. They do try to state that native English can't teach beginners or gramm,ar, but eventually they realise that comes on deaf ears.

opex

Joined: 26 Mar 2009
Posts: 12

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject:

rusmeister wrote:

I probably deserve your emotional response. I was a little too straight-forward and inconsiderate, and apologize for the trolling comment. But it is not accurate to say that I do not know (anything about) Russia.

Still, what I find interesting is your consistent evasion of motive - WHY do you dream of working in Russia for free?

Oh, I am sure you know something about Russia but you will never understand Russia, its spirit, mentality of its people like Russians do, like I do. That�s why I find discussions like �Do you like Russian society� pathetic. Don�t get me wrong I�m not attacking you here. Most likely you are a nice guy despite the fact that you are American (just kidding) and under different circumstances I probably wouldn�t mind drinking some Beluga with you. As for my motives here it goes�
I am planning on moving in with my girlfriend who lives in Moscow and not interested in moving to Canada. I don�t dream of working in Russia for free but since I will have to sit on my butt in Moscow without work permit for about 7 months I might as well try to get 9 month work visa with one of the English schools in Moscow in exchange for volunteer work. Of course I wouldn�t mind getting paid but uninterrupted stay in Moscow is a higher priority for me right now. Any suggestions?

rusmeister

Joined: 15 Jun 2006
Posts: 867
Location: Russia

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:40 am Post subject:

opex wrote:

rusmeister wrote:

If you mean that I will never be truly Russian, well, I quite agree; in fact I think it is self-evident. But if you mean that an adult cannot 'go native' and understand Russia and Russians as much as is humanly possible, well there I would have to differ.
I supposed if I recited enough Russian children's literature and songs, sang enough "starye pesni", quoted from memory enough Mayakovsky, Pushkin, Tsvetaeva, etc, told you enough stories of my going-on-20-years experience in Russia, you might not leap to conclusions so quickly as to what other people know and do not know.

I'm not familiar with Beluga. If you said "Sibirskaya Korona" I could better relate. Smile

Honestly, I don't know what to recommend to you. Going the school route does not seem like a great idea, but I suppose if you want to live in, say, Moscow at all costs, I suppose you could try it.

Я мог бы всё это печатать по-русски, но это получается "в разы" медленее.

opex

Joined: 26 Mar 2009
Posts: 12

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:44 pm Post subject:

rusmeister wrote:

I didn�t question you knowledge of Russia, its culture, and customs. It was more question of is it in your blood or not. Recall the context. You thought that I was another backpacker without any idea what Russia is all about. You started talking down to me. You had no idea that Moscow is my hometown. I reacted the way your typical Russian would LOL. We got off on wrong foot I�m glad we cleared the air. I won�t live anywhere else in Russia but Moscow. See I don�t need to make a living. All I need is just a supplement income. ESL teaching will do for starters.

rusmeister

Joined: 15 Jun 2006
Posts: 867
Location: Russia

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject:

opex wrote:

rusmeister wrote:

If Moscow is really your hometown, then why do you need a visa? Did you openly reject Russian citizenship at one time, or did you immigrate as a child?
(Not sure what "in your blood" means. If you were raised in Canada, it doesn't matter what is in your blood.) I guess you would have to clarify, probably extensively, what the expression means.

You must admit that with the context you provided anyone could be excused for taking you to be a backpacker.

GF

Joined: 08 Jun 2003
Posts: 238
Location: Tallinn

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject:

BELS wrote:

GF wrote:

jonniboy wrote:

GF wrote:

There are only two language schools that hire foreigners in Tallinn

ILS and International House? There must be more than that surely? There are at least six in Riga.

GF wrote:

private students are an endangered species. The crisis has hit hard here.

Here too the crisis has hit hard but the privates market has been surprisingly buoyant. I've been full all year. More people want to leave / change jobs / find new jobs / do IELTS etc.

BELS, I am in Estonia and the culture here is very different from that in Russia.

opex

Joined: 26 Mar 2009
Posts: 12

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject:

rusmeister wrote:

I was born and raised in USSR therefore Russia is in my blood. You should be familiar with the idiom �In your blood� that means �A trait or liking that is deeply ingrained in someone's personality and unlikely to change is in their blood�. A similar idiom is �in his DNA.� If you watch a basketball game between American and Russian national teams who will you root for?
I left USSR in 1990. My Soviet citizenship had been revoked as a part of the standard procedure of leaving USSR for good back then. There was a short lived opportunity to get it back in 1993 but I was busy with other things in my life and didn�t think I would ever need it.

rusmeister

Joined: 15 Jun 2006
Posts: 867
Location: Russia

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject:

opex wrote:

rusmeister wrote:

Hey, Opex,
Of course I am familiar with the idiom - however, it is not self-defining. What it means is generally assumed by the speaker to be obvious to the listener. I am saying that it is not obvious in this case, and that it appears to be merely an attempt to establish an ad hoc superiority, where I see only difference - most likely between a Russian who "canadianized" and an American who "russified". I imagine there would be a lot more in common between us then you might think at a cursory glance. I guess the most relevant question would be "How old were you when you left?" ( I came to the USSR shortly after you left, intensifying my "mirror-image" experience. I was in my mid-twenties.)

BELS

Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 402
Location: Moscow

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject:

jonniboy wrote:

GF wrote:

There are only two language schools that hire foreigners in Tallinn

ILS and International House? There must be more than that surely? There are at least six in Riga.

GF wrote:

private students are an endangered species. The crisis has hit hard here.

Here too the crisis has hit hard but the privates market has been surprisingly buoyant. I've been full all year. More people want to leave / change jobs / find new jobs / do IELTS etc.

Yes, they have always wanted to emigrate for what might be better somewhere else. But do you find yourself wealthy due to this demand? Are you earning about �6,000 a month? do you now have good savings, a pleasant home and security for a family? Are you wealthy due to this demand?

I suppose it all depends in what you are able to charge, of course if you are very cheap they will flood in. and yes I have heard of teachers being overbooked, and no wonder if they charge next to nothing. So what are you charging? That will give us some idea if you have had success or not.

Yes I am busy, but with the constant reminding of my wife that many of my students will lose interest and will want a rest during the Summer I am getting worried. And with the increasing rising of prices in Russia for necessities I am worried more, and with the increasing claims of people losing their jobs in banks, International companies, manufacturers I am getting more and more worried. Will they be able to afford to continue??

And yes I do believe we have a recession now , and it's getting deeper and deeper. And my fear is that Russia has got it worse than let's say UK or USA. And I also believe that Russia will take longer to recover.

If only the oil barrel barrel price would rise. that might help a little.

To sum it up, I believe established private teachers are doing sort of OK for the moment, but we are aware of the consequences of the near future.

Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Posts: 11061
Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject:

When is 'Russian soul' going to be invoked?

BELS

Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 402
Location: Moscow

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject:

GF wrote:

BELS wrote:

GF wrote:

jonniboy wrote:

GF wrote:

There are only two language schools that hire foreigners in Tallinn

ILS and International House? There must be more than that surely? There are at least six in Riga.

GF wrote:

private students are an endangered species. The crisis has hit hard here.

Here too the crisis has hit hard but the privates market has been surprisingly buoyant. I've been full all year. More people want to leave / change jobs / find new jobs / do IELTS etc.

BELS, I am in Estonia and the culture here is very different from that in Russia.

I have been to Estonia twice, necessary trips due to visa in my early days before getting residency.

I often wonder why marketing that you are bi-lingual doesn't sell better than being simply native English speaking, as my wife and my children are bi-lingual. Is that not better than native speaking? Yes I know it takes some convincing to others that the world is changing. But the best argument is that you are bilingual, perhap studied in a native speaking country, in regular communication with an English speaking spouse for many years. Whatever.

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