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anospi
Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 152 Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:57 am Post subject: |
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Still, that's 5,000-6,000zl each, which is pretty good. I'm sure a lot of the people on this board are grossing under 3,000zl. |
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Harry from NWE
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 283
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Since most people are right-handed, it makes more sense to use the right hand to shift gears. |
Yes, because changing gear is just far more important to safety than steering a car isn't it? Why on earth would one want to have one's dominant hand on the steering wheel at all times?
Then there is the problem of reversing. In a RHD car one keeps one's right (i.e. 90% likely to be dominant) on the steering wheel and looks directly out of the middle of the rear window (i.e. over one's left shoulder). In a LHD car one either uses one's weak hand so that one can look over one's right shoulder or (much more probably) uses the three mirrors to assess what is behind the car when reversing. Which is safer?
Then we come to the problem of vision. Most people are right-eyed (which is why they close their left when shooting). This has two important effects. Firstly, people see things better when coming slightly from their right (i.e. towards the dominant eye) than slightly from their left. So which side do you want cars to come towards you on? Secondly, people see slightly better from their right eye. Which means that when giving a quick glance (e.g. when pulling out on a road where one only has to give way to trafic coming from one direction) people will see more and better when looking to the right than to the left.
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The way you worded your second statement makes it sound like you only ever steer with one hand, and this steering wheel is in fact a volatile weapon of mass destruction that will fly off and explode in your face at the slightest misstep. |
Looks like you have no idea how dangerous motor vehicles can be. Did you know that very nearly Americans are killed by motor vehicles every year as were killed in the entire Vietnam war?
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Frankly, I'm not interested in debating this with you. I'm looking forward to hearing some medical, safety, and ergonomics studies from reputable sources that were implied earlier. |
Frankly I'm looking forward to you learning some manners. |
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Jack Walker

Joined: 23 Oct 2008 Posts: 412
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:46 am Post subject: |
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We live pretty well, both working and earning 10-12000pln. |
How do you earn 10-12,000zl/month as a teacher? I'm lucky if I can scrape in 4,000zl! I've recently returned for 3 months and was looking for something to tie me over until the end of June, and given April is the worst time to look for work I settled for 3,600zl.
12,000zl/month. That could make life here a little more attractive. |
My wife and I pull in about 5,400 COMBINED on most months.
I don't know how the other poster pulls in 10-12k combined per month.We work quite a lot also. |
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Jack Walker

Joined: 23 Oct 2008 Posts: 412
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Scientific evidence aside,I think the British drive on the left simply to be unique.It's as much a part of their "Britishness" as refusing to go Euro and hanging on to the pound sterling. |
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anospi
Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 152 Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, now that's more along the lines of what I'd expect. I'd love to know how a teacher could make 5,000-6,000zl/month, and not bust his balls by working every woken hour of the day |
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anospi
Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 152 Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Scientific evidence aside,I think the British drive on the left simply to be unique.It's as much a part of their "Britishness" as refusing to go Euro and hanging on to the pound sterling. |
I once read that when they started constructing roads for cars in the early 20th century or whenever, the French decided to drive on the right so as to be different from the British, and the rest of mainland Europe followed suit. |
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Jack Walker

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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Me too! Christ,I could look for every available job out there and never pull in 6,000zl net per month.It may be possible, but I'd have to leave home at 6am and get back at midnight 6 days a week.I'm not interested in doing that at all. I make barely 3,000zl on full month these days. |
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Jack Walker

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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:58 am Post subject: |
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anospi wrote: |
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Scientific evidence aside,I think the British drive on the left simply to be unique.It's as much a part of their "Britishness" as refusing to go Euro and hanging on to the pound sterling. |
I once read that when they started constructing roads for cars in the early 20th century or whenever, the French decided to drive on the right so as to be different from the British, and the rest of mainland Europe followed suit. |
Interesting! So it all comes down to "Britishness"!  |
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Harry from NWE
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 283
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Jack Walker wrote: |
Scientific evidence aside,I think the British drive on the left simply to be unique.It's as much a part of their "Britishness" as refusing to go Euro and hanging on to the pound sterling. |
Not at all. The left side of the road was always the side on which people walked or rode their horses. The reason for that is simple: if you are riding along a path on your horse and somebody is coming towards you, you want them to pass you on your right. That is because you will use your sword in your right hand and so if they are on your right, you will be better able to defend yourself.
This goes back to Roman times. Tracks leading into of Roman quarries have been found to have deeper wheel grooves on the right-hand side, showing that empty carts went in on the left-hand side and full (i.e. heavier) carts came out on the other.
The change came following the French revolution. To show how different they were, the revolutionaries started to walk/ride on the other side of the road. The countries conquered by France were forced to follow suit. Countries not conquered by the French (the UK, Ireland, Italy, Sweden, Czechoslovakia, Austria, Hungry, etc) either still drive on the correct side or changed sides last century. The rest of the world generally drives on the side of its former colonial master or that used by the surrounding countries (e.g. the Gambia, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, and Ghana). Mozambique continues to drive on the left, which is a legacy of its Portuguese past; even though Portugal itself changed over in the 1920s. |
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Harry from NWE
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:37 am Post subject: |
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anospi wrote: |
Yeah, now that's more along the lines of what I'd expect. I'd love to know how a teacher could make 5,000-6,000zl/month, and not bust his balls by working every woken hour of the day |
Here in Warsaw the going rate is about 45zl net per 45-minute class. Work one 90 minute class from 7.30am to 9am, then work two 90 minute classes in the afternoon and you do 30 45-minute classes per week. Hardly a tough load. If we assume that there are four weeks in the average month (there are actually 4.33 but everybody wants a few weeks a year off), that makes 120 45-minute classes per month. 120 times 45 gives 5,400zl per month net. |
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Glenlivet
Joined: 21 Mar 2009 Posts: 179 Location: Poland
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:48 am Post subject: |
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I don't know how the other poster pulls in 10-12k combined per month.We work quite a lot also. |
In our current position we work exclusively "in company" teaching both groups and individuals up to and including the CEO. We get 40pln per 45 minutes (55pln p/h) and work between 26 and 30 hours per week - we want to work more but the company we work in won't allow anyone under the level of director to have classes during working hours. This means starting at 6.30 and finishing at 18-19.00 after a big gap during the day. We also get a 3 room 65 sq/m flat as part of the deal (worth approx. 1000pln where we live). In our previous position we were working 35-40 clock hours per week split between 3 schools and private students. I'm not prepared to go into tax details here but may be persuaded to share by p.m. We are specialist business teachers with a long history of working in senior management both in the UK and abroad.
5000pln is approx. 1000ukp per month. Doesn't set the world on fire does it? |
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Glenlivet
Joined: 21 Mar 2009 Posts: 179 Location: Poland
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Not at all. The left side of the road was always the side on which people walked or rode their horses. The reason for that is simple: if you are riding along a path on your horse and somebody is coming towards you, you want them to pass you on your right. That is because you will use your sword in your right hand and so if they are on your right, you will be better able to defend yourself. |
This is correct. What is strange for a nation with a seafaring history like the UK is that shipping passes left hand to left hand - i.e. drives on the right. |
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anospi
Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 152 Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:33 am Post subject: |
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45zl net per 45-minute class |
That's good. I'm on, and was on last year, approx 38zl gross per 45 min. Admittedly, I took the easiest option for myself at the moment, as I'm doing a MA TESOL and need the extra time to work on that, but in my experience I've yet to find anywhere in Wroclaw who'll pay that amount. Apart from Profi Lingua, and I won't work there. |
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Richfilth
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 225 Location: Warszawa
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Having calculated all my time sheets, this month's income will hit five figures (just) after tax, but be sucked below 10k by my ZUS payments.
It might seem a nice amount, but as some other posters on here can attest, by the end of the week I'm mullered and by the end of the month I'm barely compus mentus. That's what 148 hours (full 60-min sessions) over 22 working days will do to you.
The work's out there if you want it. |
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Master Shake
Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 1202 Location: Colorado, USA
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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My god Richfilth. That's almost 7 teaching hours a day.
Why do you do it? Is the time really worth the toys? |
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