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[Canuck2112]

I agree. I have no problem with male sensitivity...if it's genuine. My problem lies with guys who ACT this way in order to attract women (believe me, there's droves of them). Guys who put up with any crap their gf can dish out and keep coming back aren't guys, they're a detriment to the gender (the same can be said for women putting up with male crap).

My basic gripe...guys who are ashamed to act like themselves, especially in order to attract a women. It's beyond pathetic.

[yaramaz]

Two things:
1. Fabio is a joke and does not in any way represent male attractiveness to me or to most of the women I know. He's really dorky.
2. Turkish men are quite short but they are still damn gorgeous and I have no qualms about dating them. I am only 5'6'' and am as tall as or taller than most guys here-- not a problem.

Question for the women, as the men seem to be getting their wee knickers in a knot over this: do we really care about height or shoe size or financial status or are we just teasing? When I made references to shoes and middle-finger-to-palm etc, I was having a good giggle. These things are quite irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and are barely a ripple in what is important in a good solid relationship based on mutual trust and support and affection. Big goblets or a mega canneloni can only do so much.

[dmb]

Guys, back me up on this. Canuck said we act differently in order to attract women. Do you? I don't. With me it's a case of love me or leave me. My gf accepts who I am. I don't need to act differently. I accept who she is. She doesn't act differently. We are both happy ( Except the fact that we are different countries at the moment )

[saudade]

I'm glad to see that drinking straight out of the carton is now the height of male masculinity - twelve year old boys across the world are celebrating in the streets, open milk cartons held high. I laughed so hard that I spilled my bon bons and had to turn off Felicity. Okay, I�m joking. I don�t like bon bons or Felicity, although I admit to drinking out of my own personal water bottle.

For me the point is not to what extent physical attraction is important to you, or what type of people you're attracted to. I think physical attraction is important to everyone to some extent, myself included. And it's not about appreciating particular aspects of the male or female form. It's to what extent you reduce people down to highly specific traits at the expense of their greater identity. Let�s remember that sid was not interested in finding Lara Croft because she�s smart, beautiful, sexy, witty, has fabulous lips, large bazoongas, a phony British accent, and kicks butt across the entire world while robbing priceless artifacts from sovereign nations (hey, what's not to like? Well, okay there's the grave robbing, I guess...). He was interested ONLY because she has a big chest. Call me crazy or not a real man, but basing career and romance decisions by categorizing half the world primarily according to cup size seems a little wacky, and maybe a tiny bit reductionist. I don't think that's being true to your guyness, I think that's like putting on some kind of weird alien x-ray 3D plastic surgeon dream glasses.

I think we can all admit that men will do all kinds of stuff to get laid, including acting like a proto-feminist super-hero. But I think that's different than having respect for other people.

[arioch36]

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[Sara Avalon]

I agree with you on Fabio, yaramaz. I never understood his appeal. "I canno believe it is not battur."

I'm also 5ft6 (just slightly over) and the guys I've dated were almost always shorter than I am. I never really think about it when I look at someone. .. it's probably because I have never been able to measure in ft.

For reasons I'm not going to get into, I can say without a shred of hesitation, that shoe size gets last place on my list of requirements for a potential companion.

Last but not least.. finances. This one's tricky. I want to say no, but another part of me says that after we got serious I would want him to start becoming more financially responsible/capable. I just don't think anyone can really live without it. But as long as we were making ends meet, then it'd be fine not to make oodles of the green stuff.

[Deborann]

Arioch, Are you then saying that the women only 'thought' sidjameson said that he wanted girls with large upper chest development? (And who could also clean his apartment). So he doesn't actually want that - he was only saying that because he figured that's what girls want? Or what Cosmo has convinced girls to want? How could we have misunderstood the poor guy so badly - shame on us.

Most of the women I know who head for the bars and nightclubs go with groups of friends - for safety. They are fed up with guys who try to latch on to them, they are out for a night of fun and dancing. The guys they end up going out with are those they meet at work, or sports or other activities - people they can get to know a bit before they run the risk of a date. Therefore it is actually the peronsality that attacts them - not the physical attributes.

Good physical attributes (symmetry, good smell!) are attractors, but personality outweighs any particular attribute or any particular collection of attributes any day!

Even for a one-night stand, most women I know need to have developed even a modicum of liking for the guy first - and more than likely wouldn't sleep with one who smelt bad, rabbited on about one particular attribute (talk about a mother fixation ) or was totally without personality. A good book beats that anyday!

[Canuck2112]

MEN don't act differently around women.

[Sara Avalon]

No personality? You might as well gorge your eyeballs out with broken pencils.

Real experience:

After coming to Kuwait I tried to catch up on everything I had missed. My little sister was so excited to show me a picture of her new boyfriend. She had a digital picture of him in her hotmail folder.

Sister: Isn't he so cute? Look at his eyes! And his chest.. *almost drooling*
Me: I don't know.. what's he like?
Sister: *In a huff* Who cares what he's like?! He's hot!
Me: Don't tell me you just like him because he looks good!
Sister: So?
Me: *exit right*

[Capergirl]

Now isn't this thread getting interesting!

Some of you gentlemen seem to have convinced yourselves that we females want some sappy, hen-pecked, mock-feminist boyfriend. Wrong! What we want is respect from men. It's not something that can be feigned. It's not something you can put on like a hat and discard at will. Either you respect women or you don't. Period.

[lajzar]

You know, Fabio was my nickname at university...

[saudade]

[dmb]

Saudade, you could have spent your money better. I'm sure a peni*s enlargement would have been cheaper. Do women really care about hands and feet? Haven't you heard of flowers and chocolates?

NB This is a joke. ( I had to buy a diamond ring the last time I screwed up)

[saudade]

[arioch36]

Now, Fabio might be outdated. But it is so interesting that despite all the studies that say otherwise, the women on this thread happen to go out with shorter guys? What a huge stastically anomally.

And that harlequins are the most popular books among woma, but that non here would ever read such drivel.

I have nothing against a person saying he is attracted by women with a large chest. Women themselves see this as desirable. Personally I find myself attracted to a woman with a more mediium brest size, though big *beep* by nature attract my attention.

Oh, I see, the Saras look at a guy and instantly know the inside? what rubbish. What intellectual dishonesty....crap!

Capergirl, I tell you with all seriousness