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Lack of Respect from Some (a very few) Students
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sharpe88



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good answer. It's not about revenge and collective punishment. Also as a "professional teacher" you have to have a thick skin.


theincredibleegg wrote:
While it is true that you shouldn't accept bad-mouthed comments, you should know that you're dealing with young people. It's in their age to not know how to give constructive criticism. You should take it upon yourself to teach constructive criticism. Be it about your classes; work of other students; literature; music... You should consider it part of your job.

I don't know the details about this situation, but to talk to a student with the aim of making her "realize" that she's wrong, is simply not good. Even if she says your classes are meaningless and boring because you're an *beep*, you should still take interest. You should of course point out that it's unnecessary to use words like "*beep*" but you should also ask why she finds your classes meaningless (or whatever). Even if you're sure that the student is wrong, you should still ask how she's thinking. She might be right. Even if she's wrong, you need to find the reason for why you were missunderstood.

If you want to build a relation of respect with your students, you better listen and take them seriously. Else you will have to do like the Chinese teachers: Make them fear you.

I think it's very good that your students dare to voice their opinion. This is something that mentioned Chinese teachers have to work on.
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sui jin



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with 'theincredibleegg' : you have not earned this student's respect, you have cowed her into submission. How can her 'negative feedback' be "completely untrue"? It was her opinion of your class. Maybe she expressed herself poorly and rudely, but she must have had some reason for giving such an opinion.

In any class of thirty or so students, teaching any subject, there is bound to be at least one student who thinks you are wasting their time. Some students love to rote-learn , some can only accept 'Chinese style' teaching methods, some hate playing games. As long as you can justify and make sense of what you do in terms of learning and practicing English, why worry about the odd brickbat?
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sui jin wrote:
How can her 'negative feedback' be "completely untrue"? It was her opinion of your class. Maybe she expressed herself poorly and rudely, but she must have had some reason for giving such an opinion.

if you read/re-read the original post I made, you would see this is what the student ACTUALLY said:

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the class was a complete waste of time and that noone liked it.

Her negative feedback was wrong and completely untrue because what she said ("noone liked it") was not the case. And it wasn't HER opinion of the class, it was her opinion of what everyone else's opinion was. The high level of enthusiasm all of them displayed this week so far tells a different story.

sui jin wrote:
I agree with 'theincredibleegg' : you have not earned this student's respect, you have cowed her into submission.

I never cowed her into submission. Did you read what I wrote at my 4:24 am post? The part where I briefed the class on the contents of the text message, in which I never asked for the name of the person who sent it and went so far as to tell them the identity of the sender didn't matter any longer. Instead, I reminded them why this kind of criticism is not welcome and reminded them again of how they should approach me in future if they have problems with the class material.

This student came forward voluntarily, gave an explanation, and apologized because she knew it was the right thing to do. I'm willing to give her the credit for recognizing that.

sharpe88 wrote:
Also as a "professional teacher" you have to have a thick skin.

You're right, but none of us are perfect and we all have things that we will and will not let go. Face it, teaching is not always easy work for anyone who takes the job seriously.


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ymmv



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For example, this thread.
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suanlatudousi



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't take the job seriously then jump on plane back home.
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

suanlatudousi wrote:
If you don't take the job seriously then jump on plane back home.

If that happened it would sure free up a lot of jobs here, maybe even increase salaries Very Happy
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donb2222



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LanGuTou



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To plays Devil's Advocate and not having real knowledge of the precise situation, what if the girl that sent the text message was actually telling the truth? Maybe all or most of the class did dislike your teaching at that moment of time but only one person would stand up and say so, albeit anonymously.

It doesn't necessarily follow that the class dislike you or your standard teaching. In the OP, you stated that you changed in some way from your normal teaching plan. Did you ask the class if this was the problem?

Chinese students do not like to openly criticize, that is common knowledge!

I have a writing course to teach. It is stated within my teaching duties that I have to teach science majors how to write an English paper. I know it is boring and tedious because I hated the subject when I was a university.

Trying to teach a bunch of students with very average English ability how to write a technical paper is one topic I have yet to find an entertaining method of doing. I know some of them hate it, but do they complain? No, of course not because it is not the Chinese thing to do.

In the first instance, my suggestion would be to look at whatever change you made to your teaching plan and/or teaching style to determine if that was the catalyst for this reaction.
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themanymoonsofjupiter



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

donb2222, i think you have a good point. i had many great relationships as you describe, but not simply because i was a foreigner. sure, i was probably much more likely to be approached due to my white skin, but i don't think that was the only reason. i had earned the respect of the students by giving them challenging, interesting, and (when possible) fun lessons, while also being willing to talk before and after class (and also in the school cafeteria, on the bus to town, etc). however, i never let fun get in the way of teaching, if it were necessary. i have had to teach the boring subjects like LanGuTou, and it's ok to admit to them that's it's boring but necessary. students of that age, especially in china where a test means everything, know that & will respect that. i have built this same relationship with my current american students, and it has nothing to do with being white.

i don't think, however, that it's a good idea to give the class surveys during the class. it seems to indicate that, first of all, you don't really know what you're doing, and you need their help. secondly, it gives them the impression