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Phil_b



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:38 pm    Post subject: Interesting article Reply with quote

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/454809/0/clases/ingles/empresas/

For those of you looking for business english classes - worth reading.

NB: I'm not in Spain, how realistic is the stuff here?
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: Interesting article Reply with quote

Phil_b wrote:
http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/454809/0/clases/ingles/empresas/

For those of you looking for business english classes - worth reading.

NB: I'm not in Spain, how realistic is the stuff here?

Yes, Phil. An interesting article. Nothing new, of course. It is certainly realistic. Where I live there is at least one teacher who was sent into the classroom recently with no qualifications or experience whatsoever, other than being a native speaker and a nice person.
The article focuses on business English. Much worse (IMHO) is that such people have groups of children dumped on them. What would the parents say? Even if the ��academia�� is little more than a babysitting service for some, I�m sure that others expect (and deserve) something better for their money.
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outofseoul



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:30 am    Post subject: interesting article Reply with quote

I have to agree. Based on my limited experience here in Spain, the article seems to be a pretty fair description of the situation.

I have Spanish friends who take English classes in their companies and rave about how good their teachers are. While others can't believe how unprofessional their classess are for things like mixtures of extreme multi-level students, or for teachers photcopying, surfing the internet, talking on their phone, making long or multiple trips to the bathroom, during class time.

Personally, I haven't encountered a lot of schools here that do an excellent job of providing teacher resources, materials or support either.

My impression is that there is quite a bit of variation in the effectiveness and professionalism of business English classes on all fronts: the schools, the companies, the students and the teachers.
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Glenlivet



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't speak or read Spanish although I gather the article is about varying teaching standards. Could someone give a brief precis please?
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outofseoul



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:30 am    Post subject: brief precis of interesting article Reply with quote

I am on holiday for semana santa and it might be good practice for me so I will give your request a go.

The title of the article is "Who Gives English Classes in Your Company?" It talks about how many schools who provide English classes for companies don't know what they are doing. They tend to hire young backpackers with no proper qualifications as teachers, but who happen to be nice guys.

Teachers arrive late, are unprepared, don't plan the classes, are inappropriately dressed, kind of lost and don't speak Spanish at all. The companies on the other hand, put all the staff in the same class regardless of their level, have inflexible schedules and permit cancellations.

It is predicted that with the economic crisis, companies will be more selective and there will be better suited teachers with business experience.

Some students of in-company business English classes say that it seems schools don't know their teachers' abilities for they seem surprised by complaints from in-company classes and hurry to find replacements so as not to lose the client. As well, teachers don't usually correct student mistakes.

On the other hand, students seem to not take the classes seriously because they are not paying for the classes out of their own pockets. They come late, show disinterest, skip classes. A class of ten may only have three students still attending at the end of the course.
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Glenlivet



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that outofseoul. Hopefully more selective recruitment will be advantageous for us in our intended move to Spain!
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