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Sara Avalon

Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 254 Location: On the Prowl
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, I see, the Saras look at a guy and instantly know the inside? what rubbish. What intellectual dishonesty....crap! |
Can you point to the sentence where I said that?
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| Oh please, you gals are so FULL OF IT !!! Forget about men respecting you..respect yourselves and have some self honesty. |
Oh yeah? Well..
*Ruffles his hair* You're funny. |
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yaramaz

Joined: 05 Mar 2003 Posts: 2384 Location: Not where I was before
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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hooo boy, that was a wonderfully presumptuous and indignant and sweepingly condemning post from our lad arioch. I want to retort in anger but I must first pick myself up from the floor where I am giggling uncontrollably.
First of all, Harlequin romances are shallow, dull, poorly written and stupidly predictable. Why should I want to read drivel?
Second of all, if none of us are willing to date or marry short men, who are? I don't know the stats but as far as I know there isnt a worldwide crisis declared by short men about their inabilty to find love.
Third, when I was in high school, my two main boyfriends were carless. We rode bikes a lot. We all had after school jobs and it was never assumed that they had to foot the bill for anything. They were really interesting guys, very smart, very creative, very witty. I find those attributes to be very sexy. Indeed, inreply to something someone said not too long ago: I would indeed say 'talk clever to me!' at the, um, height of passion.
Who were you dating? And what kind of shallow woman expects the man to pay for everything? You are going after the wrong women, my friend. There are some nice ones out there! |
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saudade

Joined: 11 Feb 2004 Posts: 48 Location: Campinas, Brazil
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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I think arioch makes some good points.
However, I will point out, there are no "where are all the tall guys", or "where are the hottest guys?" or "which guys are hottest, Koreans, or Japanese?" threads going on at the moment. It might be that we're all brainiacs on dave's and not representative of the general population?
Okay, gotta go back to Felicity now. It's a really good episode where she drinks orange juice directly out of the carton while describing her perfect man, who is short, poor, insensitive, but has really big feet. |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| First of all, Harlequin romances are shallow, dull, poorly written and stupidly predictable. Why should I want to read drivel? |
Somebody buys them. Yes
I like having my hair ruffled, as long as the woman respect my inward beauty. Usually they just want my body. 40% of men have also faked an orgasm, BTW,most men have had sex when they didn't want to, Believe it or not.
You don't know me, but I do give you my word that studies are pretty consistent about the short guys.
I would also point out that your dating experience is certainly not typical. But what I really said is the reality isb't important. Boys believe they must have a car, money etc. I said (or should have) that what matters is what boys think girls want, what boys think they have to be like to attract girls. These are the scripts that become ingrained in so many of us.
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| that was a wonderfully presumptuous and indignant and sweepingly condemning post from our lad arioch. I want to retort in anger but I must first pick myself up from the floor where I am giggling uncontrollably. |
Thank you.
Now say good night dummy  |
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Sara Avalon

Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 254 Location: On the Prowl
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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It's not women who are writing them, I'll tell you that. There's way too much emphasis on the "nest of hair" and "his protruding member" exciting the femme.
I used to read that stuff at the library with my friend. Our favorite was "The Shikh and the American Woman." Except:
"And she saw him wrap his turban about that glorious head of ebony locks. Her lips stroked by that long, pretty pink tongue until they shimmered a glossy red of anticipation. As he tucked the last little bit inside, her heart lept a beat as she studied his fingers, wondering how they would manipulate her own outer being with such perfect mastery.."
Or something like that.. but it was so amusing! Classic! Men are given too much credit in books.
I could care less what a man can do with his hands! To quote a man I once knew "A woman playing our flute will never be as skilled as we are at doing it.. " -- my sentiments, exactly.
*Contemplates starting up a satire about the good ol' romance novel* |
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wordgirl
Joined: 06 Jan 2004 Posts: 15 Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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"I could care less what a man can do with his hands."
Boy are you missing out! (I'm assuming you meant "I couldn't care less")
Sara, you are smart and funny and I like you, but clearly you have been hanging out with the wrong kinds of men. There are a lot of great ones out there. Ditch the creeps and move on. |
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Sara Avalon

Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 254 Location: On the Prowl
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Capergirl

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 1232 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Capergirl, I tell you with all seriousness
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| Some of you gentlemen seem to have convinced yourselves that we females want some sappy, hen-pecked, mock-feminist boyfriend. Wrong! What we want is respect from men |
I wish this was true, that women wanted men that respected them, and vise versa. I have not found this to be true, many a times. When it comes to getting laid...the truth is...being a nice guy and treating a woman doesn't work. |
It is true, although women are notorious for falling for men who don't respect them. Most of us have had to learn through experience how to spot the truly good, respectful guys, the ones who will treat us the way that we want to be treated. (Really! We don't want to be treated like crap!) Some of us foolishly believe that we can change a man who seems otherwise perfect...we can teach him how to treat us with respect. Well, with experience comes reality. I can honestly say that I'm much better at choosing men at age 32 than I was at 22. I pay attention to red flags (like a man who talks badly to or about his mother) and when I notice them, I don't stick around and hope that the guy's other redeeming qualities make up for this lack of respect (they won't).
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Of course on this forum we only have the women who don't read harlequins, are just as likely to go out with a short guy, and take the guy out in high school and college.
Oh please, you gals are so FULL OF IT !!! Forget about men respecting you..respect yourselves and have some self honesty. |
Perhaps we are a unique group in your eyes, but I personally don't meet your description of what a stereotypical woman is and does. I have dated short guys (okay, not really short 'cause I'm not especially tall myself, but short by guy standards). I also don't read harlequins. In fact, I rarely read any fiction at all. I'm a non-fiction reader. (Maybe being an English major in university turned me off fiction. ) As for magazines, I like Parents, MacLean's, and occasionally People (yes, the latter is drivel, but sometimes I need some mind candy).
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You gals on this forum are so full of it. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Arioch36, please tell me you're not basing male/female interaction on what typically happens in high school. Most people move on and grow up (and become a little bit more mature and less superficial in their choice of mates).
And please do not pigeonhole the ladies on this forum by telling us what, according to a western survey, we truly want.
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Wolf

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 1245 Location: Middle Earth
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:59 am Post subject: |
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Holy Hand Grenade, Arioch.
I respect women. I'm not in a relationship right now, but I've got female students, co-workers and bosses. I'm sure that most well adjusted women either want respect from their mates, or would want it if they had any idea what it was.
I'm also not willing to beileve that a bunch of statistics gatherers with a possible political agenda are going to be able to peer into the depths of my soul.
How many women are repsonding regularily on this thread? Half a dozen? All of which are well educated, experienced professionals. Is it really that wierd that such a small and relatively homogenous test group might give statistically anonamlous results? Even if such results were something that had universally acceptable credibility?
There must be very compelling reasons/experiences that have led to your outlook on life. Yet, I'd bet you dimes to dollars (jaio to yuan in our case?) that the women on this thread are telling the truth when they say that they don't like trashy novels, and also telling the truth when they say that they beleive in mutual respect.
As to your nice guys "score" last and teenager ideas, well, I've seen many exceptions to those in my short life. While I don't doubt that there are such people, these statements are hardly universal truths. |
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Lanza-Armonia

Joined: 04 Jan 2004 Posts: 525 Location: London, UK. Soon to be in Hamburg, Germany
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| How many women are repsonding regularily on this thread? Half a dozen? All of which are well educated, experienced professionals. Is it really that wierd that such a small and relatively homogenous test group might give statistically anonamlous results? Even if such results were something that had universally acceptable credibility? |
Excellent opinion, well worded and strength to back itself up. Hats off to you wolfie!
@sidjameson - Although I don't believe in your sexist <pol. Correct?> views, I do congratulate you on the sheer number of responses in the time allocated
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James_T_Kirk

Joined: 20 Sep 2003 Posts: 357 Location: Ten Forward
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| It is true, although women are notorious for falling for men who don't respect them. Most of us have had to learn through experience how to spot the truly good, respectful guys, the ones who will treat us the way that we want to be treated. (Really! We don't want to be treated like crap!) Some of us foolishly believe that we can change a man who seems otherwise perfect...we can teach him how to treat us with respect. Well, with experience comes reality. I can honestly say that I'm much better at choosing men at age 32 than I was at 22. I pay attention to red flags (like a man who talks badly to or about his mother) and when I notice them, I don't stick around and hope that the guy's other redeeming qualities make up for this lack of respect (they won't). |
I think you are correct Capergirl, we learn about the right kind of people to date as we get older. What someone posted earlier was correct, men do not put on a front around women; the vast majority of us are ourselves in a relationship. Thus, if you are dating an arsehole ladies, guess what? You won't be able to change him...he is always going to be an arsehole.
Arioch, I can't deny that in some cases, you would have to treat women like crap in order for them to show you any interest (mainly younger women), but in my experience, those are the women that you want to avoid...those are the psycho women!
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| 40% of men have also faked an orgasm, BTW,most men have had sex when they didn't want to, Believe it or not. |
Dammit Arioch, you aren't supposed to tell women this! This was one of man's best kept secrets. |
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saudade

Joined: 11 Feb 2004 Posts: 48 Location: Campinas, Brazil
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:31 am Post subject: |
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This is a hilarious thread, although not always in a good way. My hats off to that wise sage sidjameson.
I thought arioch's original post had a fresh perspective and a good point or two, but sadly, his strident tone since then has made me forget what they were. I think it's funny to have a cow about Sara Avalon supposedly generalizing about men, and then follow that up by demanding that the women on this thread submit to your own generalization.
Okay, go to go polish my new gigantic shoes. |
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Laura C
Joined: 14 Oct 2003 Posts: 211 Location: Saitama
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Cheers, Wolf, so well said!
Arioch, just because the women replying on this thread don't conform to what you think women are like, doesn't mean we are full of it or lying! As someone said to Sara about guys, there are plenty of good ones out there. Seriously, maybe you just haven't found the right woman yet?
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saudade

Joined: 11 Feb 2004 Posts: 48 Location: Campinas, Brazil
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:19 am Post subject: |
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By the way, I think everyone who has posted on this thread should take a Chinese name reflecting their point of view. 
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