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Richfilth
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 225 Location: Warszawa
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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pffft, toys. I have debts to pay off (mortgage, student loan, home renovation expenses.) I still have a 25-year-old TV and, until recently, a 27-year-old car, so I'm not exactly living the high life.
Plus, there's a lot of lesson recycling; 7 hours is just about comfortable, as an average; it's the 9-hour days that kill. Live to work, not work to live. |
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Jack Walker

Joined: 23 Oct 2008 Posts: 412
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Richfilth wrote: |
pffft, toys. I have debts to pay off (mortgage, student loan, home renovation expenses.) I still have a 25-year-old TV and, until recently, a 27-year-old car, so I'm not exactly living the high life.
Plus, there's a lot of lesson recycling; 7 hours is just about comfortable, as an average; it's the 9-hour days that kill. Live to work, not work to live. |
I'm too lazy to be able to put in 9 hours per day teaching English.
I work a couple of 6 hour days per week, but two of those hours are a one by one conversation class.My limit for groups is 4.5 hours per day.I simply can't function if I go over 4.5 hours.
It doesn't make sense to work yourself blind in Poland for decent/average money, when other countries offer less work and much more dosh.
If I really wanted to stack the cash,Poland would be one of the last places on my list. |
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bfrog
Joined: 30 May 2008 Posts: 14
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Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Harry from NWE wrote: |
Looks like you have no idea how dangerous motor vehicles can be. Did you know that very nearly Americans are killed by motor vehicles every year as were killed in the entire Vietnam war?
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Namaste, brother.
Straw man arguments like that which imply a causative link between that and the topic at hand is precisely why this does not make for an interesting debate here. But if you do have the studies, I'm still interested.  |
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Harry from NWE
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 283
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Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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bfrog wrote: |
Straw man arguments like that which imply a causative link between that and the topic at hand is precisely why this does not make for an interesting debate here. But if you do have the studies, I'm still interested.  |
I would suggest that you go and read up on ocular dominance and consider whether it is safer to use one's dominant or weaker eye to view the main wing mirror and monitor oncoming traffic. Also consider whether it is preferable to be in better control of the gear stick or the steering wheel.
If you want studies, go read the road accident data from late 1960 / early 1970s Sweden. That and J. J. Leeming's "Road Accidents: prevent or punish?" (1969). There is research there showing that countries driving on the left have a lower collision rate than countries driving on the right. |
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dynow
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1080
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:19 am Post subject: |
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10,000 zl. is an incredible amount of money for a teacher working any number of hours in a month. i guess if you need that much cash, do what you gotta do.
as for me, I put in about 115 lessons last month and I GROSSED around 5,000. after ZUS slaps me in the face, i pay my taxes along with my accountant, i'm looking at about 3,500 net.
regardless, it's still enough to get by on out here but when i factor in airfare and spending cash for a trip home once a year, i'm breaking even. |
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dynow
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1080
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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by the way, as pointless as the "who drives on the correct side of the road" discussion goes, it's a useless and boring argument, but I will add this....comparing statistics in countries that drive on one side of the road vs. the other is simply crazy.
there are so many other factors you need to consider when looking at these statistics, such as whether or not the country allows drinking and driving (the US still allows a 180lb. man to legally drive after three 12 oz. beers drank in about an hour's time), the economics of the country, what their insurance policies are regarding automotive accidents, weather (obviously a city like say Detroit has plenty of accidents due to icy roads/snow/rain, something a country like India doesn't have to contend with), how many people in the country actually have their cars insured (i bring up insurance because if there's no insurance claim there often times will be no report of the accident, therefore giving you false statistics), what percentage of people own cars, what the overall road system looks like of the country along with overall population (NYC has more car accidents than say Fiji).....the list goes on and on.
i don't know about the rest of the world, but in America, EVERYBODY drives (once you're old enough to drive, car ownership is automatic), everybody has to have insurance by law, and if there's so much as a fender bender, the insurance companies are notified. in Poland, it's not uncommon for people to not have their driver's licenses even at 25-30 years old. again, i can't speak for other countries, but if Poland is like this, i'm sure other countries are similar, especially ones that are economically further behind, resulting in a crash statistic incomparable to America for the simple reason that more people living in America drive.
more cars, more drivers, more accidents.
people crash their cars due to carelessness, being tired, not paying attention to the road, heavy traffic, driving in the winter, speeding, etc. etc., not because they're using their less dominant eye or hand to shift gears. |
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Glenlivet
Joined: 21 Mar 2009 Posts: 179 Location: Poland
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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dynow wrote: |
people crash their cars due to carelessness, being tired, not paying attention to the road, heavy traffic, driving in the winter, speeding, etc. etc., not because they're using their less dominant eye or hand to shift gears. |
Engaging brain more important then engaging gear - the Polish problem  |
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dynow
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1080
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Engaging brain more important then engaging gear - the Polish problem Confused |
nah, i'd say it's because their brains are working too hard to conjugate all those words  |
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Glenlivet
Joined: 21 Mar 2009 Posts: 179 Location: Poland
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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dynow wrote: |
nah, i'd say it's because their brains are working too hard to conjugate all those words  |
"What is it, the past participle of .........." (Insert your own fun words). |
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dynow
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1080
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:08 am Post subject: |
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regarding accident statistics, case and point:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30059443/
for those that don't feel like reading, it's a headline from msnbc.com today, and it cites increased seatbelt use, the economic downturn, and high gas prices to be reasons for less US highway deaths. in fact, the lowest it's been since 1961.
a couple highlights:
"The silver lining in a bad economy is that people drive less, and so the number of deaths go down," said Adrian Lund, president of the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. "Not only do they drive less but the kinds of driving they do tend to be less risky � there's less discretionary driving."
"In the past, tough economic times have brought similar declines in roadway deaths. Fatalities fell more than 16 percent from 1973 to 1974 as the nation dealt with the oil crisis and inflation. Highway deaths dropped nearly 11 percent from 1981 to 1982 as President Ronald Reagan battled a recession."
more cars, more driving, more accidents. if England started paying half as much for gas this year, traffic accidents would go up accordingly, regardless of what side of the road they drive on.
just to throw another one out there to drive home the point of endless variability........how many accidents in those statistics occured on one way streets  |
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Harry from NWE
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 283
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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dynow wrote: |
comparing statistics in countries that drive on one side of the road vs. the other is simply crazy. |
Depends which statistics one uses really.
dynow wrote: |
more cars, more drivers, more accidents. |
This is why the data from Sweden is so interesting. A good number of older drivers simply stopped driving rather than have to learn how to drive on what was for them the wrong side (which removed some drivers from the road). One of the main reasons why Sweden changed sides was that the vast majority of cars on Swedish roads were LHD cars (Sweden is of course surrounded by countries which drive on the right and Swedish manufacturers made LHD cars for Swedish consumers) and such cars are less safe to use when driving on the right. So the change was expected to lead to lower accident rates. Which it did (although part of the reduction could have been explained by the reduction in speed limits by 10km/h which was introduced at the same time as the swap from driving on the left to the right, part of it could have been explained by people simply being more careful and paying more attention when driving in the new conditions). However, despite the improved safety offered by LHD cars now being driven on the correct side for such vehicles, accident rates were back at their pre-swap levels within two years and higher the year after that.
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people crash their cars due to carelessness, being tired, not paying attention to the road, heavy traffic, driving in the winter, speeding, etc. etc., not because they're using their less dominant eye or hand to shift gears. |
Yes people do crash for all those reasons. But the simple fact is that with all other things remaining equal, people are very slightly more likely to have accidents when: steering the car with their weaker hand; or using their weaker eye to look in the wing mirror or to monitor on coming traffic; or reversing using only their mirrors rather than looking over their left shoulder and using their dominant hand to steer. Yes it is a very slight increase in likelihood of having an accident but when you think of the hundreds of millions of drivers driving billions of miles, that very slight increase will result in a number of needless accidents. |
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