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[austeacher]

Indeed it is my loss teacher in Rome. I stick by what I said. I don't think either Germans or French people are great. And I will not go on a harangue about history as both those people owe a lot to the Italians in terms of culture, art, architecture, politics and the genius of invention. I lose; Italians win.

[Tainan]

[shin12]

ah never mind

[Teacher in Rome]

Veering off the original topic (though might not be such a bad thing!) but it's strange to hear such blanket condemnation of entire groups of people (Austeacher). My degree was in French and I spent a year there - met some great people, fully versed in civilisation, culture, language and architecture! Maybe you haven't met the right people yet? Would def recommend a visit - you've got the whole of the Midi in close range to NW Italy to explore.

[austeacher]

Teacher in Rome said:Veering off the original topic (though might not be such a bad thing!) but it's strange to hear such blanket condemnation of entire groups of people (Austeacher). My degree was in French and I spent a year there - met some great people, fully versed in civilisation, culture, language and architecture! Maybe you haven't met the right people yet? Would def recommend a visit - you've got the whole of the Midi in close range to NW Italy to explore.

I say: Your degree was in French. If you love them and their language so much then go back there; and leave the Italians alone. Italians don't need the french, they need the Italians.

[Teacher in Rome]

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Austeacher, I'm perfectly happy in Italy, but I also like France and the French (those I've met) a great deal too. I've also met a good number of nice Aussies and even visited Australia, but wouldn't necessarily want to live there... My point is that it's strange to condemn an entire nation of people - as you seem to do with France and Germany. I also suggested you might like to go and visit France one day to see for yourself! You might even find, horror of horrors, that there are lots of similarities between France / the French and Italy / the Italians.

[shin12]

Good on you teacher in Rome i completely agree. People on here are way to quick to judge and that is sickening.
Pass me the bucket ..

[austeacher]

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There are similarities between the Italians and French because the fRench are a carbon copy of the Italians. I condemn the French because they owe a lot to Italy and the French would go as far as denying the Italians have had any influence on them whatsoever.

In addition to that, the Italians will welcome foreign visitors in their community even if they speak fractured Italian. Nor do Italians expect you to speak their language upon arrival to their country. Italians will also endear foreigners who make the effort to pick up a few words here and there.

On the otherhand, the french expect any foreign visitor to speak their language with fluidity and will even berate individuals who attempt to utter a few words in fernch. They will expect anyone and everyone to bow to their culture and claim that their culture is the most enlightened and influential on the globe. It is not the case, far from it infact, as the Italians post-Renaissance established the roots for French and European enlightenment. The French will vehemently deny that too.

Another thing, the French are equally as racist as anyone else is. The Vichy regime sent thousands of French Jews to the gas chambers as the French Fascist regime courted the Nazis. So please don�t tell me the French are enlightened or cultured when they are as culpable as any other country, through out history for misdeeds against humanity. They also claim they are diplomatic too; only when it suits them of course. The fact of the matter is that the principle of diplomacy started in Italy and not France, however the Frogs will vehemently deny that too.

French culture is revisionist and will adapt paradigms according to their liking. Their education is tailored to suit the empiricism of principle, a principle based on asserting and endorsing �their� point of view on the world. If those ideas are negated they start a revolution to meet their own ends that essentially have no bearing on the rest of the world. Infact none of their cowardly revolutions have had any impact on the world.

Napoleon Buonaparte. He was not French. Corsica was an Italian Kingdom until Genoa ceded Corsica to the French for war reparations. Napoleon may have been born in the first year Corsica was ceded to France, but Corsican culture is clearly linked to the Pisans and Florentines and not much has changed since Corsica was ceded as the Corsicans have retained their Italianity and independancy. So the next time some one tells me Napoleon was french I will simply have to say they have been misinformed by the bigoted French.

I have met may people who have been to France and most of them said the people are ignorant morons. My friends and the people I have spoken to have said negative things about the French. My brother is a well travelled guy, informed and open minded and he had a bad time there too.

Now I will reiterate what I said in a previous post. If you love the frogs so much. Go back there and leave the Italians alone.

[Teacher in Rome]