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ckhl



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:55 am    Post subject: Let's Bash Dubai Reply with quote

This should provide some passing entertainment

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html
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adorabilly



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i can only really say
wow.

I am very surprised that this article hasn't been blocked "for public safety" or some such other excuse.

the real question I would pose to those who work and live in Dubai is how accurate is it?
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SD BOY



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gosh...pretty harsh.

Years ago, Dubai seemed to me like a city planned by a group of fourteen year-old boys. Now it seems like a city planned by a bunch of fourteen year-old boys whacked out on coke or heroin.
That article might be slightly exaggerated, but there's nothing in it that I haven't witnessed myself.
The thing I've never understood is Western expats who do not know when it is most expedient to jump ship.
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kiefer



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not news that would be censored. It's not even news. Once a month an article about appalling labour camp conditions makes it into print and we all shed crocodile tears for five minutes before turning to TV guide.
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ckhl



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, slightly harsh... and some minor inaccuracies...and definitely of a certain political persuasion, but the gist is not inaccurate. Rolling Eyes
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SD BOY



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of this article is accurate..a few things have been spiced up or added for dramatic effect.
The bit about the "Gay Bar"...if it's the one I'm thinking of...is a bit overblown. He makes the place sound like West Hollywood on Saturday night, when in fact, it's pretty subdued. Also Gay locals are actually harassed by the cops...perhaps not as much as the Filipinos and other Asians, but it can be tough for those guys.
Another thing ..the author suggests all UAE nationals are living the life of Riley. That is decidedly not true. Most of the boys I taught from the northern Emirates came from relatively poor families. They had few prospects in life other than to become a sergeant in the Air Defense Force or whatever. Admittedly, few of them ever wanted more than that.
I knew a young Emirati guy with an excellent degree from the UK. He could not find a decent job for love or money. No wasta..no government position..and the private sector wouldn't touch him because..well, he was a Local.
Last I heard, he was on his way to sunny Montreal.
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sundrieddate



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:18 am    Post subject: ongoing Reply with quote

At home in London and saw this documentary on BBC, on Dubai, wonder if it was aired over there.

Here is an article on it, you can find it on the BBC website I guess, not sure what they still block over there on the net. Was quite a bit two years ago.

http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm/sidWAM20090408171037973/Ministry%20of%20Labour%20investigates%20the%20truth%20about%20BBC%20documentary%20on%20Dubai%20labour%20camps%20/
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sundrieddate



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:25 am    Post subject: Interesting? Reply with quote

http://montieth.livejournal.com/268608.html
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Interesting? Reply with quote

sundrieddate wrote:
http://montieth.livejournal.com/268608.html

Once I read the first sentence:

It more or less explains the strata within Dubai's culture. As I understand it, Dubai is a Emirate of the UAE. The UAE is a union of the emirates, Abu Dhabi, Ajman, Dubai, Fujairah, Ras al-Khaimah, Sharjah and Umm al-Quwain. Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan is the ruler, and by some accounts seems progressive by Arab Standards.

No need to read any further as this person has already shown poor research skills and a complete lack of knowledge of the area. How long has Sheikh Zayad been dead?

The first link reminded me of "Casablanca." Gambling?? At Rick's? Male expat workers have been kept under those conditions for the 20 years that I have been watching... and every time the BBC or whoever does a story on it, the "official" announces the arrest of the usual suspects.. and nothing changes.

sigh...

VS
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Neil McBeath



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:18 am    Post subject: Lets bash Dubai Reply with quote

Am I the only one to have noticed this?

Johann Hari interviews Karen Andrews for FOUR HOURS, and at the end, Karen has to ASK her for money to buy a meal.

Yet the same Johann Hari happily pontificates about uncaring expats who are, it seems, wilfully ignorant of the living conditions in places like the Al Qouz and Al Qusasis Industrial Areas; places where most expatriates would never have to go.

There is not a word about the extensive middle-class Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi communities in Dubai (not everybody is a semi-bonded labourer) but there is a clever use of adjectives to imply contempt "sun dried" women, the "vomit yellow" decor of Pizza Hut - which is the same vomit yellow that you find in London, Paris, Bangkok.

There have been a number of these articles recently. We had Germaine Greer's in-depth analysis, culled from the pages of some in-flight Business magazines and a four hour tour on a double decker bus, and now this tripe. It is basically schadenfreude; one section of opinion-makers has never really approved of the fact that ARABS had a lot of money, and so any suggestion that the global economic downturn is hurting will be seized on with glee.

Just after 9/11 we were told that Dubai was dead as a holiday destination. It was. For about six months....
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SD BOY



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've noticed the same thing, Neil. There was a similar article in one of the Canadian rags the same day.
Are things so tight in Dubai that the Minister of Information has neglected to pay off British journalists?
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that it is partly (or perhaps mostly) the tendency of the media these days to make every topic a feeding frenzy.

Topic of the quarter... Dubai has been cocky the last few years... they are being caught up in the worldwide financial fiasco... blood in the water... let's say what we really think about these rich A-rabs.

VS
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another one:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090416/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_dubai_suing_the_family_4
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anaxiforminges



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any chance I will love Dubai? I really want to...
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090416/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_dubai_suing_the_family_4


Clearly shows that no matter how materially advanced the Gulf countries become, in terms of real human development and laws relating to human rights, fairness, and justice, they are fundamentally flawed.

Any country that overtly and blatantly says a particular family is basically above the law (and is the only one accorded such a status) can never be a morally upright country.

There is no such thing as a "benign monarchy', never has been, never will be, whether in the Gulf, in Africa, in the Far East, wherever. "Benign monarchy" is a fundamental contradiction in terms.

P.S. That's just one case... there have been hundreds, perhaps many many thousands of people over the decades who have been victims of royal thuggery in the Gulf, to put it mildly.
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