Job Discussion Forums

chengdu4me · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:38 am Post subject:

Well, aren't you just the perfect arrogant know-it-all. Please sir, tell us how you know all this to be true? Did you read it somewhere? We all know that every law is China is negotiable. Are you the one person in China that handles all visa applications? Perhaps you know this because you have personally issued every single visa in the past five years? Is it because you live in China and that makes you an expert on everything related to foreign affairs? I am dying to know. Please, please enlighten us!!!

As it was related to me, their D visas allowed them to get permanent resident cards. It seemed a bit redundant to state this since EVERYONE knows this without it being specifically spelled out.

I think it is pretty arrogant to be calling someone you don't know anything about a liar. And calling someone you don't know intellectually challenged. Hmmm....gee...I bet your a liberal, aren't you?...seems to go hand in hand, thinking your opinion is fact and everyone else is stupid. I think it is also extremely petty to think that your opinion is the only valid opinion! I know, you are now going to tell me that what you have said is fact. So, if it is fact, then prove it. Prove that you know about every visa ever issued by the Chinese government to every American. Prove you know about every Resident Permit every issued by China. If you can't do that, then you are confusing your high and mighty opinion with fact and you should probably go sit down and STFU before you sprain something.

IF you can't back up your claims of being the all-knowing, all-seeing visa expert with FACT; facts that you can show us, then please refrain from spouting your bile in my thread. You add nothing to the discussion and your drivel is certainly a drain on the server resources.

Joe C. · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:39 am Post subject:

chengdu4me · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:01 am Post subject:

Sure, I'll put up! Seven years ago means nothing. One friend has his D visa and then subsequent Residence Permit for two years and one received it last year.

It's not the world against me. I don't care. Someone asks how my friends got their D visas, I ask them and then relayed what I was told.

You can know anyone you want, but you don't know everyone and you certainly don't know every official in China with the power to grant visas or resident permits.

You seem to like to denigrate people that don't conform to your opinions or bow down to your all-knowing omnipotence. Is this a self-esteem problem or were you abused as a child? Maybe it is just to make up for other "short" comings...who knows...
I ask for proof, and you, so far have produced none. Just more words and insults. I think that all you have...words...gee...when you look in the mirror while you are typing on your computer...so you see yourself as ten feet tall and bulletproof, too? I'll ask again. PROVE what you say is the gospel and the only gospel possible under a myriad of circumstances and a staff spread all over the world with different interpretations of the rules. PROVE....as in SHOW PROOF, provide empirical and irrefutable evidence...here and now..on this website...or...again....just more words...words..words....nothing but words...faint and demure, babbling from the all-knowing, but can't back up shit...Joe C.

wangdaning · Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 3154

I don't see why the D visa is such a hot issue. Look here http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/hzqz/zgqz/t162609.htm and you can see you don't even need to be married. The truth is it most likely depends on your ability to get the Residence Approval Certificate. Which would depend on what you can pull.

Also, you can look here http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/chn/lsfw/qzjj/t266911.htm if you can read Chinese. I am not ruling out a 5 year rule, just wonder why only people on boards bring it up.

weninlome · Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 215 Location: Chengdu

chengdu4me · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:20 am Post subject:

As others have pointed out, there are rules, and then there are "rules", but yes, it is not impossible. I don't know why Joe is making such a big deal about this. It's none of his business and he wants us all to believe he is the universal authority on this subject. All I did was state that I knew people who had D visas and then gained permanent residency. He calls me and those people liars and that he KNOWS, but he can't/won't prove he knows...it doesn't matter to me...I'll get what I get and deal with it. There are more ways to skin a cat than is known by any one person.

Joe C. · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:57 pm Post subject:

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

Joe, sorry to interrrupt, but do you treat your "IELTS patients" the same way as forums members? The BC must be really happy having you there. Smile

Yes, Ds are on papers, althoug not the foreign passports papers. I guess, it's for the world to know how good the Chinese system is.

Cheers and beers to all kinda Ds Laughing

chengdu4me · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject:

Joe, we are all very well aware that just because something is in writing does not mean that it is not also negotiable. We all know that pretty much everything in China is negotiable. I don't know the exact reasons why these people were granted D visa and I don't really care. I do know that I have know both for quite some time and I have never known them to lie or exaggerate the truth. I have not personally seen their passports, but I do know this. Given the time I have known them, I would be much more inclined to believe them as I would you, someone who I don't know at all and someone who seems to want to get their point across by insult and arrogance, rather than producing facts. Showing me a website that lays out rules is not fact. It is rules. Rules, under almost any circumstances, are negotiable, depending on who you are, who is enforcing the rules and how much influence you can have over their decision.

But, I will say this....the first person I mentioned that has been in China for seven years and has his permanent residency which would fall under Article 6, Item 5. The other, as I stated told me he had some strings pulled by Intel.

So, now...prove me wrong. Prove to me that Intel was not able to do this. Prove it Joe...not by spouting rules, not by posting websites, PROVE that Intel does not have the clout necessary to pull this off. Prove that Intel, with all its resources and all its money can't/didn't/wouldn't influence someone in China with the authority to make this happen. Can you do that, Joe? No, you can't.

Other than that, I am through here. You can throw out all the insults you want, you can post all the websites you want, but there is no way for you to prove that this didn't happen.

So, enough of your cyber-bullying, enough of your BS, enough of you. Your high and mighty, I am the God of visa knowledge is irrelevant, as apparently you also are since you can't offer proof that what I say is untrue or inaccurate. Have a nice day, Joe!

Sugar Magnolia · Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 233

Take it easy boys.

The way I see it, we are all just trying to have some fun.

Yunqi

Joe C. · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject:

chengdu4me · Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:45 am Post subject:

I have no doubt that you believe you have an imaginary friend that lives on the moon, Joe. There is nothing to disprove.

Mr. Kalgukshi · Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:38 am Post subject:

People that delight in insulting and attacking other members cease to exist here.