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rmcdougall
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 Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:04 am Post subject: Is there any discrimination-male over 60 teachers? |
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englishmaster
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| Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| I have a 60+ colleague at my Malaysian uni, and he gets along fine. No discrimination in this country, as far as I know. |
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Jati
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| Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| englishmaster wrote: |
| I have a 60+ colleague at my Malaysian uni, and he gets along fine. No discrimination in this country, as far as I know. |
Englishmaster, has the Uni said anything to him about the new retirement age of 58? I am curious because I will be facing that in a few years.
The gov't raised the retirement age for public employees from 56 to 58 a couple of years back. The employees' union (CUEPACS?) wanted it raised to 60. Not sure how this will affect us expats but it probably depends upon what type of college/university we teach at. Privates have more leeway in retaining older employees.
The one guy at my college (under a state gov't) over the age of 60 is on a one-year contract, and he is a Malaysian. I have been told that after my next two-year contract, I will be on a year-by-year basis. I am 53 now, so that means that at 55 they do not want to give me anything longer than a one-year contract. |
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Solar Strength
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| Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| I believe it's 65 in Taiwan and that there may be no retirement age if one is full Professor. In Japan and Korea I believe it's the same. Why 58? |
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Jati
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| Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| I believe it's 65 in Taiwan and that there may be no retirement age if one is full Professor. In Japan and Korea I believe it's the same. Why 58? |
I don't know why it is 58. It is for public (gov't sector) employees and private companies can follow or not. Just a few years ago it was 55, but they moved it to 56, and now to 58. Will probably move it up to 60 within a couple of more years.
People retire younger in Malaysia than elsewhere, I guess. I know a guy who retired from the military at 42 and did not want to work anymore. He goes fishing everyday, but, of course, does not have much money.
Malays aren't as hard-driving in accumulating money as other races. |
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namdak
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| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:18 am Post subject: |
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there certainly is age discrimination in Malaysia
whether just for females or both, I don't know
but they don't hire 60 or over  |
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Solar Strength
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| Jati wrote: |
| Solar Strength wrote: |
| I believe it's 65 in Taiwan and that there may be no retirement age if one is full Professor. In Japan and Korea I believe it's the same. Why 58? |
I don't know why it is 58. It is for public (gov't sector) employees and private companies can follow or not. Just a few years ago it was 55, but they moved it to 56, and now to 58. Will probably move it up to 60 within a couple of more years.
People retire younger in Malaysia than elsewhere, I guess. I know a guy who retired from the military at 42 and did not want to work anymore. He goes fishing everyday, but, of course, does not have much money.
Malays aren't as hard-driving in accumulating money as other races. |
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there certainly is age discrimination in Malaysia
whether just for females or both, I don't know
but they don't hire 60 or over |
Interesting comments.
a 2 year college instructor in Japan told me today that 60 is the mandatory retirement age for where he teaches (2 year colleges / Senmon Gakko).
But with the shift in demographics, I am curious to see if this age is risen to 64 or 65. |
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Tainan
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| This is actually a pretty serious question. Some of us are going year to year teaching in jobs that pay for the present but aren't exactly saving for the future. If there's going to be a sudden unemployability when we get older we ought to know about it now! |
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Jati
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| Tainan wrote: |
| This is actually a pretty serious question. Some of us are going year to year teaching in jobs that pay for the present but aren't exactly saving for the future. If there's going to be a sudden unemployability when we get older we ought to know about it now! |
This statement was true for me before the age of 40. At 40, I had kind of a wake-up call and decided that I had better start planning, and saving, for retirement.
The first step is to establish a budget of sorts. It doesn't have to be overly detailed, but it should give an indication of how much money is coming in and, more importantly, where it is going. It was only after I decided to make retirement savings a line-item in my budget that I began to put money away, consciously, for retirement. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| namdak wrote: |
there certainly is age discrimination in Malaysia
they don't hire 60 or over |
I'm living proof to the contrary!  |
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Jati
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| Henry_Cowell wrote: |
| namdak wrote: |
there certainly is age discrimination in Malaysia
they don't hire 60 or over |
I'm living proof to the contrary! |
Or simply an exception to the rule, which makes you exceptional!
You know Malaysia: if they like you, they will keep you irregardless of the rules (or laws). If they don't like you, they will use the rules and laws to get rid of you. Since they don't like confrontation, they will wait until you no longer prove useful and then find a justification for your release.
Not knowing how old you are -but suspecting over 60- I might ask: would you be able to move to a school where you are unknown and get hired at your age?
I would say 'Yes' if you have some qualification, skill, advanced degree (PhD) that is in short supply. I would say 'Very difficult' if you are competing with the locals based upon the above.
Anyway, congratulations on beating the system (so far).
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Jati wrote: |
| Not knowing how old you are -but suspecting over 60- I might ask: would you be able to move to a school where you are unknown and get hired at your age? |
Yep! |
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Jati
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I was talking today with the owner of an international school and he told me that he cannot get work permits for any teachers over the age of 60. He has tried but Immigration refuses to give out work permits at least in this city. This gentleman has extensive experience with the Ministry of Education in Malaysia (was one of their first PhDs years back) and is politically-connected.
So the gist is that while there are some exceptions, one needs to be forewarned that there is a general cutoff at age 60 in Malaysia for foreign teachers. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| It all depends on the employer and the job. The work permit will follow. |
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